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Porthos

Sorry my Scandanavians friends, but English is the closet language I speak to any of your languages, so it will have to do. Could you guys provide audio samples of conversational Danish, Swedish, and Norweigan? I want to hear them in a conversation, or normal spoken form. And then, I would like to try to distinguish between all three just by ear. Thank you.

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David · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject:

I statred a really neat thread on the old Langcafe with user-posted audio samples of the various Scand. languages so we could compare them in their mutual intelligibility. Maybe we can do the same here?
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David · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately we don't have as many Scandinvaisn on here as we once had.

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Walker · Moderator Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 758

Here is a splendid site if you're looking for Swedish dialects. As you'll see there's Götaland, Svealand and Norrland, the three lands of Sweden. Below those are their provinces and in each province there's a couple of places to choose from. These places are small towns or villages so you won't find any Standard Swedish. There are four audio samples from each town/village, two males and two females. There's one older (äldre) male and one older female, and one younger (yngre) male and one younger female.

There's also a bunch of samples of Finnish Swedish in case you're interested. I once posted a link to a site that had Danish audio samples, I'll see if I can find it.

Porthos · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject:

Walker,
You forgot to post the link man!
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Porthos · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject:

Oh, okay, got ya.
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Harrenys Targaryen · Moderator Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 237

Actual Danish

My take on Danish...

...and a transcript of what I'm saying.

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Whoops, I forgot to mention that I had changed some mistakes that I had written: "kommunet" should be "kommunen", and "indtryk" should be "aftryk".

Fredrik · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject:

I couldn't find any net ressource fitted to your needs, Porthos, So I think the most reliable option is net TV from the national broadcasting companies of the different countries:

Norwegian:
http://www.nrk.no/kanal/nrk_nett_tv/
(The latest news in the middle row.)
Beware of the program Oddasat - it's in Sami!)

Swedish:
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.j...44&lid=tv-guide&from=menu
(Click on a small blue camera and just click on untill you get to the screen.)

Danish:
http://www.dr.dk/tv/?top#
(TV-avisen is the news, you have to press the green "se program" = "see program" on the right. It's a bit slow).

Icelandic:
http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/sjonvarpid/?date-from=2006-10-26
(Beware - Táknmálsfréttir is news in sign language!)

Faroese:
http://www.svf.fo/netvarp.asp

Porthos · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject:

Thank you Fredrik. These will do just fine.

I'm also looking for something like this in Frisian. If only English hadn't been influenced by French as much, or Frisian by Dutch......

In your free time, could you help me find a newscast or something like it in the Frisian language? Thank you.

But, wouldn't you say that Norse languages are softer than most West Germanic languages, possibly excluding English? They're certainly much softer than say, Dutch.
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Fredrik · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

You are welcome!

Here, on Omrop Fryslân, you can harkje = hark = hear and sjoch = show = watch the news:
http://www.omropfryslan.nl/
Yes, Frisian also sounds rather Dutch. Difficult to hear much difference.

Since you write about the "Norse languages" (a Bangladeshi friend of mine does the same)...here are the correct terms:
(Old) Norse = Ancient Norwegian and Icelandic, the language of the Vikings.
The Scandinavian languages = Norwegian, Swedish and Danish
The Nordic languages = Norwegian, Swedish and Danish + Icelandic and Faroese
The languages in the Nordic countries = The Indo-European ones mentioned above + Finnish, Sami and sometimes Inuit.

It's hard to say something about the softness of languages, but Danish is certainly a very soft language, Norwegian and Swedish less so.

Porthos · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject:

Well, I often use "Norse" or "Nordic" in place of "North Germanic" or "Scandanavian", because it simplifies things.
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Fredrik · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject:

lol, well while "Nordic", "Scandinavian" and "North Germanic" (the last one only in a linguistical sense) often are interchangeable, "Norse" is not!

Porthos · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:48 am Post subject:

Why should "norse" only apply to ancient things? There's no law saying that it can't.
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Fredrik · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Hehe, well, according to common usage Norse/norrøn is a thing of the past, but I have heard that in Icelandic it's still used about (West) Nordic stuff.

I would say it's very convenient to have an adjective for the language, art, society and mythology of the Vikings, as opposed to the languages and society of the Nordic countries today.

Porthos · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject:

Let's post a few links of the Hives, for those who haven't heard this hella awesome band from Scandanavia!
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Fredrik · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:

Well, feel free to do so, Porthos!

But The Hives sing in English, so they can't teach you Swedish. Actually, I didn't really know they were Swedish untill now. Scandinavian pop and rock music is so closely linked to the British, America and international scene that its Scandinavian origins is often quite blurred.
When it comes to music, Scandinavia is just the 51th state of the US and/or the fifth constituent part of the UK.

Porthos · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

In a way, that is tragic. But, I also must admit that I prefer they sing in English. Rock music just sounds better that way.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UsazuAL1J70

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tsm2hSKkH7E&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SVS2ojOpc6s&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cN33zYSGSCA
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Fredrik · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

We,, we don't see it as that tragic. English is the language of music today, just like Occitan was in the Middle Ages. But then, in a music genre like rock, where the lyrics often drown in sound, I don't think the language matters that much. Here is one of Norway's most popular hardcore rock bands, Kaizers Orchestra, which actually sings in my home dialect:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4-PuDVuAk6A&mode=related&search=
(They introduce their songs in English, because they are playing in Germany, where they also are rather popular.)