Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: How to find College help
I don't know much about applying for College, financial aid, or selecting good business schools. I've never had an guidance in these areas.
I want to attend a university and obtain some kind of business major. I'll minor in some liberal art like languages, or something of that nature.
I want to be in Sales and Trading at an investment bank.
I want to go to a school that is close to home. I'm planning on taking my general ed (first two years) at a JC, to save money, and then I want to transfer.
How do I find out if the school has a good program in the careers I'm interested in? And how do i go about with the other stuff? _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Followed by Italian/French/Dutch
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: Re: How to find College help
So, when will you be going to university/college? As Shouga suggested, would they not guide you through the process at school?
Would they have open days for the various universities/colleges, where you could look around and ask lots of questions? If you look at the websites of the various universities/colleges, you should find details of any such days, plus full information about the courses which they offer.
It's easy for us — all our applications and everything are organised for us by one website. We just have to decide which universities we want to go to, and that's it!
I am in no position to advise you on the complicated university entrance system, but I can shed light on what is viable in business schools if you like.
I am at present a first year accountancy student and we do take quite a number of business modules in our coursework. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
Don't you have any ratings tables? In Britain, we have ratings tables to tell us what the best colleges and universities are for specific subjects. Many schools, colleges and universities have a speciality subject. For example, our school specialises in technology and humanities.
Don't you have any ratings tables? In Britain, we have ratings tables to tell us what the best colleges and universities are for specific subjects. Many schools, colleges and universities have a speciality subject. For example, our school specialises in technology and humanities.
That's right. Also here, some universities are simply seen as more prestigious than others by the population in general. Like, the most prestigious universities are 'Oxbridge' (i.e. Oxford and Cambridge), followed by the other 'ancient' universities, followed by the 'red-brick' universities, followed by the 'plate-glass' universities, followed by the newest universities. There are some exceptions to this, however.
For example, I probably want to go to St Andrews, which is an 'ancient' university (the oldest in Scotland), but is obviously not Oxbridge. This means that it's a prestigious university, but is not at the very top. Here, in terms of finding employment later, the received wisdom regarding the 'prestige' of the university will probably be more significant than its rating in any of the various league tables. However, in terms of the quality of education and facilities there, then the league tables would be more important, and are subject-specific. (But if you're like me, then you just apply to universities that are located in nice places, without paying much attention to its rating, lol).
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Re: How to find College help
Porthos wrote:
I don't know much about applying for College, financial aid, or selecting good business schools. I've never had an guidance in these areas.
How do I find out if the school has a good program in the careers I'm interested in? And how do i go about with the other stuff?
In my high school we had a college counselor who had an extensive library of resources available to college-bound students. She had catalogs to major universities throughout the country and colleges that I had never heard of, detailing enrollment requirements, submission deadlines, test requirements, miscellaneous campus information, ranking in specific fields of study, etc. She also had updated information on financial aid, grants, private-sector scholarships, etc. I'd be very surprised if your high school didn't have a college counselor or some sort of career advisor on the premises.
Exactly! Even in Norway, a country with only six universities to choose from, we had a counsellor for helping us out with that in high school. _________________ Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen. = Those who don't know foreign languages, know nothing of their own. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
If you don't mind relocating to the San Fernando Valley, you might want to check out Cal State Univ Northridge (CSUN). They've got an excellent Business & Economics school (both graduate and undergrad). Back when I was shopping around for colleges, with the intention of majoring in Business, I chose CSUN over UCLA because CSUN's undergrad program had a better reputation (although UCLA had the name recognition) ... and for much less money! However, it was then and still is an "impacted" major, so you had better have above average GPA or high SAT scores.
Location: San Francisco, Noord-Kalifornië, Noord-Amerika
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:06 am Post subject:
No, Julian, I think Porthos should go to CalPoly -- it's so close to Morro Bay and Pismo Beach. And the...shudder!!...Madonna Inn. On the other hand, CSUN has a pretty good record for show biz alumni. I think any school that would feature Cheech Marin's image on its home page is worth a look.
See the thing is I've been hearing from employers is that having a degree from a big name school like Wharton or Harvard or Standford or USC doesn't really make that much difference, so long as you still earned a degree at an acredited university, even if that be a Cal State University. And Cal Poly is within driving distance from where I live, so I could stay at home and only have to work part time. That way I could still go to school and not have to worry about entirely supporting myself, which would invovle working full time in addition to going to business school, and having to contend with the fatigue of a chronic disease.
And Loic, those schools sound great in my dreams, but realistically, I will not be able to attend them unless I somehow attain a miraculous scholarship. And I really don't want to go to school 3,000 miles away, pay out of state fees, with and run up a tuition bill (debt) in the amount of close to S100,000.
But Deborah, why do you recommend that I go to Cal Poly? Do you know anything about the school, other than that it's by some nice beaches? _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Favorite languages = English/Spanish
Followed by Italian/French/Dutch
You're quite right that it does not matter that much to a prospective employer whether his employee went to Wharton or a low-key college that dare not speak its name. If I were a headhunter, I'd rather hire someone who has graduated First Class from an average university than have someone from Havard or MIT's Sloan School graduate with a Third Class or worse.
However, there is a high correlation between wage increase and the type of MBA programme as studies have revealed. In other words, a Havard Business School MBA programme is much more valuable than say, the MBA programme of my current school.
Since it does not hurt to plan for the long-term, here are the rankings for 2007 as compiled by the Financial Times:
1. University of Pennsylvannia: Wharton (USA)
2. Columbia Business School (USA)
3. Stanford University GSB (USA)
4. Havard Business School (USA)
5. London Business School (USA)
6. University of Chicago GSB (USA)
7. Insead (France/Singapore)
8. New York University: Stern (USA)
9. Dartmouth College: Tuck (USA)
10. Yale School of Management (USA)
I'm going to engage in a spot of shameless self-promotion here and put forward my school as one of the choices you can consider for an MBA programme:
65. University of Notre Dame: Mendoza (USA)
66. Nanyang Business School (Singapore)
67. Washington University: Olin (USA)
PS: I am seriously thinking of going for an exchange programme next semester and I am hoping to do a stint in Essec Business School in France. To the Parisians of this forum, does the name of Essec ring a bell at all? I read that it's supposedly a grande ecole which confers a bit of pedigree on it. The caveat would be that I have to study my modules in French but I suppose language difficulties should not be that great if I take subjects which involve number crunching only. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
And Cal Poly is within driving distance from where I live, so I could stay at home and only have to work part time. That way I could still go to school and not have to worry about entirely supporting myself, which would invovle working full time in addition to going to business school, and having to contend with the fatigue of a chronic disease.
Would you want to carry on living with your mother though? I must say that I've always seen university as an opportunity to leave home — something I'll be doing in six or seven months, and to tell you the truth, I can't wait. In fact, most of the universities I've applied to are as far away from Birmingham as possible, lol. I'm not planning on getting a job when I'm there either, and I cannot imagine how anyone would possibly be able to work full time whilst they're at university.
So tell me... does the government not cover most of your university fees in the US? And do all universities not have the same fees?
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And Cal Poly is within driving distance from where I live, so I could stay at home and only have to work part time. That way I could still go to school and not have to worry about entirely supporting myself, which would invovle working full time in addition to going to business school, and having to contend with the fatigue of a chronic disease.
If I were you, I would look into taking a few CLEP exams for college credit, Porthos. You'll have to make sure your schools accept them, which exams they accept, and how high your scores need to be, but they're an efficient way to fulfill some of those boring core requirements that every college makes you take. You'll need $100 for each exam ($60 for the exam fee, and $40 for the test center fee) and about two weeks of intense studying for each subject. In the long run, you could end up saving hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars...
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I'm not planning on getting a job when I'm there either, and I cannot imagine how anyone would possibly be able to work