In Paris, the architecture is different, and it is situated in northern Europe
I agree that Paris in not in southern Europe, but it canno't be described as being situated in northern Europe either.
I always thought northern France as being an geographically beetween northern and southern Europe, but in none of them really.
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Elaine,
Is that in Beverly hills ?
None of those homes are in Beverly Hills. The first home (the modest one) is in Echo Park, where I live, and the others are in Los Feliz, which is just a hop skip and jump away from my 'hood.
BH homes are on a much grander scale.
EDIT: Damn geocities!!
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That map is more of a cultural map than a geographical one. For instance, much of southern Germany is actually lower than Paris and northern France, but these regions are not included in northern Europe. Geographically, Paris is a northern European city. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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That map is more of a cultural map than a geographical one. Geographically, Paris is a northern European city
I agree that this map take in some extend account of the cultural aspects to categorize some places (without cutting the countries in two)
But I'm sorry, if you look at a map with attention, Paris can hardly be considered to be in northern Europe. Paris is situated a a latitude of 48.5°N
The center of gravity of the European Union is situated in Germany, at about 50°N, about the level of Brussels or Praha. The places situated south of this lattitudes are usually not considered to be geographically north European.
Isn't it difficult to consider that Paris would be geographically a northern European city while situated below the center of gravity ?
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For instance, much of southern Germany is actually lower than Paris and northern France, but these regions are not included in northern Europe.
souther Germany, situated below 50° is almost never considered as north European in a pure geographical way. which is not, being situated below the gravity center of Europe. That the reason why southern Germany is usually considered as geographically in central Europe and not northern Europe.
I you look the map of Germany, contrary of what you say, only a little part of southern Germany is situated below 48.5° of latitude (around 40% of south Germany, so about a maximum of 20% of Germany as a whole is situated below Paris's latitude.
You see Paris in the north ? I see it in the middle.
That last map seems to make more sense from a geographical standpoint, wouldn't you agree? It is especially hard to define regions this way. I will give you an example. Southern France is a mediterranean region, right on the mediterranean, with classic mediterranean weather and everything. Yet, technically, it is far north of southern Spain or southern Italy, because both are peninsulas. It's just that it doesn't jut out as far into the sea as the Iberian and Italian peninsulas do. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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That last map seems to make more sense from a geographical standpoint, wouldn't you agree?
Of course I agree, I made it myself to explain my point of view. It is not basically a huge difference from the other, excepted that the regions of predominatly northern countries that canno't geographically counted as northern European are conisdered apart. It just clearly shows that paris is not situated in northern Europe nor southern but really in the middle (I would like to say "center", but "central Europe" means to be central in a north/south scheme but also in a in beetween east and west. it carries cultural and climatic conotations that northern France doesn't share, so let's say "middle" to avoid any confusion).
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It is especially hard to define regions this way. I will give you an example. Southern France is a mediterranean region, right on the mediterranean, with classic mediterranean weather and everything. Yet, technically, it is far north of southern Spain or southern Italy, because both are peninsulas. It's just that it doesn't jut out as far into the sea as the Iberian and Italian peninsulas do.
Of course that France doesn't go as much far in the south than Spain or Italy, And then ? A lot of inverse exemples can exist.
Look at Denmark, it is not in the scandinavian peninsula itself, its most northern point (57°N) is much lower than Norwiegian (71°N) or Swedish (69°N) ones (lower than UK's northermost point). Copenhagen (55°N), its capital, is much more southern than Stokholm or Oslo (60°N). Is Copenhagen a southern European city because of that ?
you canno't claim that everything which is not in the extreme south of Europe is in northern Europe. If so, Milano, the biggest Italian city, would be considered a northern European place...
This is a map of the latitudes of the main European capitals :
And for the mediterranean ambiance and climate, you don't have them in all central and northern Spain (look at my pictures I posted of northern Spain and of Madrid region...does it "look" like very much "mediterranean" ?)
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No admittedly, much of Spain does not have that mediterranean look or ambiance. Much of Spain is arid steppe, and other regions have sort of a foggy, misty, damp, green, Celtic ambiance. But southern and eastern Spain definitely have that classic mediterranean ambiance, as does southern France and most of Italy. You can also tell by the food. Southern French food is classic "mediterranean", while the north is a bit different, as is the cuisine of much of interior Spain or northern Italy. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Greg,
Didn't you say that one of your parents was English? Have you been to Britain very much? I'm willing to bet that your father was English, and if so, I'll tell you why. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Greg,
Didn't you say that one of your parents was English? Have you been to Britain very much? I'm willing to bet that your father was English, and if so, I'll tell you why.
It was me who suggested it. I'm not aware of Greg having said anything regarding the origin of his parents, although I could be wrong. I have reasons for thinking that Greg may have one British parent; not sure if they'd be the same as yours though.
He has an excellent command of the English language. Of course, this could be achieved by years of practice, possibly decades of practice, but I don't know how old he is. His profieciency would suggest that one of his parents might be Anglophones. He also seems to carry an animosity toward Britain and America, and Anglophones in general. Usually, a child born from two people of different cultures will be more likely to be influenced by his mother, who is usually the primary care taker, the one who suckles the child, and feeds him, etc. He is very French, for not only did he grow up in France, but more likely, if he has an English parent, it is his mother who is French native, and not the other way around. But, this of course, is pure speculation. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Lol, yes. It's also true that the most emphatically 'British' people I know (most of us are not very patriotic, in all honesty) are people who might have had to think harder about their own identity than is normally necessary — people whose parents/grandparents were immigrants, or have one non-British parent etc. For example, my French teacher is French, but he's married to a British woman (who, incidentally, is a German teacher). I know their son to some extent — and he's the most emphatically pro-British and anti-French person you'll come across. (That said, my French teacher isn't exactly pro-French either — he spends a lot of time talking about how racist France is).
As we're speculating Greg, who it must be said often presents himself as a somewhat mysterious figure... maybe he himself used to be British! (What it means to be 'French' is similar to what it means to be 'American', but rather different from what it means to be, say, 'German').
Essentially, I do feel that having a somewhat unorthodox background causes you to question certain things, and may result in you taking rather more firm stances on certain issues. For example, I take a very critical view of the history of the British Empire, and almost feel a certain 'guilt' over it. Is it just an accident that my mum was born an Anglo-African?
Comme on dit en français, mieux vaut tourner sa langue sept fois dans sa bouche avant de dire des bêtises...
I'm sad o disappoint you since none of my ascendants either is or speaks English. Didn't it occur to you that I could just be *liking* the English *language* ? (a foreign language to me, really)
Porthos : ta capacité à échaffauder des théories psychanalytiques est admirable. Mais, outre que l'objet de ta curiosité est également un sujet qui n'a pas sollicité ton précieux concours, tu devrais, je pense, réinvestir cette énergie dépensée en vain sur une thématique liée au sujet du salon — à défaut de linguistique (il n'est pas interdit de rêver...).
Lol, yes. It's also true that the most emphatically 'British' people I know (most of us are not very patriotic, in all honesty) are people who might have had to think harder about their own identity than is normally necessary — people whose parents/grandparents were immigrants, or have one non-British parent etc. For example, my French teacher is French, but he's married to a British woman (who, incidentally, is a German teacher). I know their son to some extent — and he's the most emphatically pro-British and anti-French person you'll come across. (That said, my French teacher isn't exactly pro-French either — he spends a lot of time talking about how racist France is).
As we're speculating Greg, who it must be said often presents himself as a somewhat mysterious figure... maybe he himself used to be British! (What it means to be 'French' is similar to what it means to be 'American', but rather different from what it means to be, say, 'German').
Essentially, I do feel that having a somewhat unorthodox background causes you to question certain things, and may result in you taking rather more firm stances on certain issues. For example, I take a very critical view of the history of the British Empire, and almost feel a certain 'guilt' over it. Is it just an accident that my mum was born an Anglo-African?
Your mum was born an Anglo-African? Doeas it mean you have African ancestors?
No, I think he just means that his mother was an English immigrant/settler in Africa. But if he did have black-African ancestors in his recent ancestry, you sure can't tell by looking at him! _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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