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Pennsilfaanisch-Deitsch (Pennsylvania German/Dutch)

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Pennsilfaanisch-Deitsch (Pennsylvania German/Dutch) Reply with quote

[I created this thread in response to a comment in another forum.]



The Pennsylvania Dutch Project is a website “for those interested in learning the dialect and learning about the dialect”:

http://www.geocities.com/trconrad2001/dutch_main.html



This page has audio samples of Pennsylvania German (or Dutch) as spoken by one Amish from Franklin County and three Mennonites from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania:

http://csumc.wisc.edu/AmericanLan...earch.php?sect=amish&state=pa

I listened to the first two. The younger guy’s accent seems to have an American influence, but the older man (the second) sounds much more “German”.



Finally — and this has nothing to do with language — here are examples of the famous Amish quilts:

http://www.amishquiltconnection.com/Wallamish.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not easy to understand.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case you don't notice it on the Pennsylvania Dutch Project, above, there's a forum:

http://padutch.proboards55.com/


I taught dance at a summer gymnastics camp in Lancaster County, PA, around 1980. I never had any interaction with the Amish (that was the group that we mostly saw near the camp), but would occasionally see Amish farmers driving up to the kitchen to deliver eggs and produce to the kitchen staff (who would then do unspeakable things to the food). I also occasionally saw them driving their horse-drawn buggies on the highways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiorthan wrote:
Not easy to understand.

I suppose not, after a couple (or three?) centuries of developing on its own and not being a dialect that's heard in the media.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:
I listened to the first two. The younger guy’s accent seems to have an American influence, but the older man (the second) sounds much more “German”.

I wrote this after hearing just a bit of each, with the volume pretty low. After listening more, I realize that they all sound well-influenced by American English, even the guy who was born in 1904.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not so very hard to understand all what's based upon German words. The mixture with a lot of .. well... unexpected English .. is what makes it quite taxing. They sound like English-Bavarians to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since they sounded so American when they were speaking their Pennsylvania Dutch, I was surprised to hear a subtle Germanic tinge to the last guy's English.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How interesting. Pennsylvania Dutch sounds like I should be able to understand it, but can't.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how an American accent makes it sound so familiar. (HT or Pauline -- thanks for the translation and the move. I wasn't sure how German this dialect still was, so I didn't know what to do with it.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:
Since they sounded so American when they were speaking their Pennsylvania Dutch, I was surprised to hear a subtle Germanic tinge to the last guy's English.


I visited the North earlier this summer, and I talked to several Amish. Very friendly people. They said that they speak Penn. Deutsch at home, learn formal(High) German in school, and begin learning English around 3rd grade. I noticed that the very young children, who speak little English, had a German-like accent, but the adults just sounded like typical Midwesterners to my ears.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They said that they speak Penn. Deutsch at home, learn formal(High) German in school, and begin learning English around 3rd grade. I noticed that the very young children, who speak little English, had a German-like accent, but the adults just sounded like typical Midwesterners to my ears.

That's interesting. Presumably the very young children learn by listening to their Midwestern-sounding parents. I wonder how they get their German-like accents? Maybe they talk a lot to their older siblings who are studying German at school.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops! I just realized that you mean the little kids sound German and their parents sound Midwestern when they're speaking English!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:
Oops! I just realized that you mean the little kids sound German and their parents sound Midwestern when they're speaking English!
Well actually I'm not sure how they sound speaking German. I didn't get a chance to hear them speak it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ich frage mich warum es Pennsylvania Dutch genannt ist ?? Es scheint Deutsch ähnlicher zu sein als Niederländisch.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallo Didier!

Sprichst du Deutsch auch? Bestimmt hast du es erwähnt, aber vielleicht habe ich es nicht gelesen oder nicht bemerkt (oder vergessen ).

Ich verstehe auch nicht, warum es Pennsylvanischen Deutsch genannt ist. Vielleicht wegen der amerikanischen Einflüsse.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Pennsilfaanisch-Deitsch (Pennsylvania German/Dutch) Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:
Finally — and this has nothing to do with language — here are examples of the famous Amish quilts:

http://www.amishquiltconnection.com/Wallamish.htm



Incidentally, I have one that's kind of similar to that hanging on the wall behind me. I bought it from an Amish quilt shop when I was in northern Indiana last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liz wrote:
Hallo Didier!

Sprichst du Deutsch auch? Bestimmt hast du es erwähnt, aber vielleicht habe ich es nicht gelesen oder nicht bemerkt (oder vergessen ).

Ich verstehe auch nicht, warum es Pennsylvanischen Deutsch genannt ist. Vielleicht wegen der amerikanischen Einflüsse.


Hallo Liz !

Ja ich spreche auch Deutsch. Ich habe es mit Brieffreunden vor vielen Jahren angefangen zu lernen. Ich glaube es ist schon zwanzig Jahre her. Ich hatte auch Gelegenheit während zwei Jahren es oft zu sprechen, als ich nahe bei der Grenzen in Strassburg wohnte. Ich spreche und schreibe sehr gerne auf Deutsch. Die deutsche Aussprache ist sogar einfacher für mich als die englische. Ich weiß nicht warum. Ja, es ist ein bißchen komisch, daß sie es "Dutch" und nicht "German" nennen, weil die Deklinationen an die Deklinationen in Hochdeutsch erinnern.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didier69 wrote:
Ich frage mich warum es Pennsylvania Dutch genannt ist ?? Es scheint Deutsch ähnlicher zu sein als Niederländisch.

If I understand you, the answer is that Pennsylvania definitely evolved from German.  This wikipedia article explains the use of "Dutch" here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch

Benjamin wrote:
Incidentally, I have one that's kind of similar to that hanging on the wall behind me. I bought it from an Amish quilt shop when I was in northern Indiana last year.

Lucky you!  I love their quilts.
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Yes, it's the impression I get when I read how they decline an adjective.



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