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Joanne

Chavs, Emos, and other cliques

I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry? (I'm having a hard time picturing this, actually.) Is "chav" an acronym? Is it a very pejorative term? Help a Yank out, will ya?
Pauline

I've heard that you better don't wear Burberry if you go to England, because the chavs wear it, so to be chav must be bad! I think that they wear sport clothes as well and are always drunk or anti-social. Of course Bejnamin and shouga can give you more details.
Fredrik

In Norway they are called rånere ( derived from "male hog".). They are small-town hillbillies whose greatest pleasure is to cruise around in "pimped" custom cars dressed in sports wear, drink moonshine liquor and pick up local lasses outside the village snack bar. They normally worship kitschy icons such as Elvis.
A humourous insight into rural Norwegian chav/råne culture from the rural Norwegian rap group Side Brok (= Sagging Pants):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TYD7rEgEE
Benjamin [inactive]

Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?

Joanne wrote:
I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry?

Sort of, yes. We might have different perceptions of what 'alcoholics' are though, because I'd say that a 'chav' would probably drink a lot of beer and would often get drunk, but probably wouldn't really be an alcoholic.

Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.

Stereotypically, chavs may also be seen as overly nationalistic, and may support far-right parties such as the BNP, even though they are thought not to have much political awareness overall. This is seen as a negative characteristic by many non-chavs because overt displays of patriotism and nationalism tend to be frowned upon here.

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Is "chav" an acronym?

I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.

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Is it a very pejorative term?

It's not very pejorative, although I can't imagine that anyone would self-identify as a chav.
Fredrik

So chavs are not linked very strongly with cars and customization of cars?
Porthos

Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?

Benjamin wrote:
Joanne wrote:
I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry?

Sort of, yes. We might have different perceptions of what 'alcoholics' are though, because I'd say that a 'chav' would probably drink a lot of beer and would often get drunk, but probably wouldn't really be an alcoholic.

Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.

Stereotypically, chavs may also be seen as overly nationalistic, and may support far-right parties such as the BNP, even though they are thought not to have much political awareness overall. This is seen as a negative characteristic by many non-chavs because overt displays of patriotism and nationalism tend to be frowned upon here.

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Is "chav" an acronym?

I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.

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Is it a very pejorative term?

It's not very pejorative, although I can't imagine that anyone would self-identify as a chav.


Sounds like what we would call a "red neck" or "white trash" around here.
Joanne

Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?

Benjamin wrote:
Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.
Oh, God. No wonder my pretentious English co-worker was complaining about her sister-in-law dating a chav! It must kill her. Hilarious!

So, tracksuits, stomach out to yea, popping out multi-colored babies every other month? You mean like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain, right?

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Benjamin wrote:
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Is "chav" an acronym?

I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.

Council house = the projects. Gotcha
Porthos wrote:
Sounds like what we would call a "red neck" or "white trash" around here.

Yup, sounds like it. Male chavs sound more like "wiggers" to me, though.
Joanne

Fredrik wrote:
A humourous insight into rural Norwegian chav/råne culture from the rural Norwegian rap group Side Brok (= Sagging Pants):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TYD7rEgEE

Fredrik, I think I'm about to pop a lung!!
Benjamin [inactive]

Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?

Joanne wrote:
So, tracksuits, stomach out to yea, popping out multi-colored babies every other month? You mean like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain, right?

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Yes — exactly!
Akoni

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ lol
Pauline

Akoni wrote:
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ lol



from this website I've found this very funny letter to the chav agony aunt

Chav website wrote:

Nickname: Mutchay

Problem: All chavs should be sent to an island off the coast of norway or sum otha lil reject country like scotland or St Helens where they will all be trained not 2 be SUCH FUCKING SCUM!!!!! i think tony blair mite wanna hear ma idea, you agree wit me??? keep it real, Mutch-ay

Answer: Im impressed with your knowledge of obscure places..I think Tony would be too Luv Auntie Shanice
Shouga

Well, Benjamin and the rest of you seem to have covered this question already... Although we don't have some of the stereotypes that Benjamin voiced, down here in Southern England. However we do have other stereotypes for chavs as well.

Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!
Uriel

Okay, now what's an Emo?

I'm thinking Emo Phillips, which hopefully isn't possible in the plural:

Shouga

Not quite.

An Emo is someone who tends to have dyed black hair and wears punk-gothic clothes, including long leather jackets. They are stereotypically portrayed as being sensitive, shy, depressed, quiet and introverted, and the most 'popular' stereotype given to Emo people is that they practice self-harm.
Joanne

Uriel wrote:
Okay, now what's an Emo?

This guy and the woman in this commercial are emos. They resurrected the abomination that is the skinny jean fashion trend, and listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.
Shouga wrote:
Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!

Emos...that fight? The mind boggles That war should be over soon, Shouga. I can't imagine emos putting up much of a fight. They're too busy getting in touch with their emotions.
Fredrik

Joanne wrote:
Uriel wrote:
Okay, now what's an Emo?

This guy and the woman in this commercial are emos.

Really? They look very normal and not very prone to self-harming.

BTW good to know that rural Norwegian rap can always cheer you up on a rainy day, Joanne!
Pauline

Fredrik

The norwegian music/video was absolutly the most worst, rubbish and stupid music and video what exist in *all* the world. Fortualty, norwegian music isn't famous so we don't must hear it LOL!!

Sorry, Fredrik!!!I hope you're not in the video or someone of your family!!!
Shouga

Joanne wrote:
Uriel wrote:
Okay, now what's an Emo?

This guy and the woman in this commercial are emos. They resurrected the abomination that is the skinny jean fashion trend, and listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.
Shouga wrote:
Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!

Emos...that fight? The mind boggles That war should be over soon, Shouga. I can't imagine emos putting up much of a fight. They're too busy getting in touch with their emotions.


Well, they don't look emo to me! Or not like the emos I imagine. These are all emos:













Oh, the chavs are more 'we hate emos, we hate emos!' whereas the emos are like 'why can't you leave us alone?'. The people who really put up a fight towards the chavs are the emo supporters, who are all 'CHAVS SHOULD DIE!'. Therefore, our school can be very interesting at times...
Joanne

They all look on the goth side of emo, except for the last one who looks full on goth. I guess the couple on the commercial are what you would think are emo-ish. But the guy looks plenty self-absorbed, depressed, and greasy-haired to me...

Ooh, I found definitions of emos on www.urbandictionary.com. I could have just gone there to see what a chav was, but I didn't think of it at the time. Then again, if I hadn't asked you guys, I would've never seen that hilarious råne video and ChavScum website, and would've been deprived of two good, long belly laughs. So, I am content with my decision to come here with my query.

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Punk music on estrogen. Often acoustic guitar with soft, high male vocals that dwell exessively on the singer's feelings, especially melancholy remembrances of past relationships/mistakes in life. A form of music that diverged from punk in the '80s, the name "emo" is derived from the emotive style of the lyrics and music. This genre has lately been marketed heavily by the music industry to teenagers with bands such as Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday, and has seen much commercial and mainstream success. The music has also spawned a subculture which conforms to certain conventions in dress such as tight sweatshirts, tight band T-shirts and horn-rim glasses. Adherents profess to exessively melancholy temperments. Males that adhere to the emo subculture are sometimes confused with metrosexuals; indeed the line between the two is somwhat blurred, though both groups claim to be intouch with their emotional side. The ephemeral and hackneyed nature of emo songwriting suggests that its audience will be restricted largely to teenagers. the genre suffers from a lack of credibility outside the aforementioned demographic group, much like current Nu Metal bands.

girlfriend: C'mon, lets have sex.
boyfriend: I'm too sad to have sex.
girlfriend: I'm sad too; lets have sex and cry.
boyfriend: I'm already crying.

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Normally a 15-17 year old teenager. Considers themselves to be much more in touch with their emotions than anyone else; whereas they really just feel sorry for themselves. Most emo's will claim to be depressed, or simply misunderstood. They think they are unique, and fail to realise that they actually look like half the teenage population of south england. You can recognise an emo by looking for these general characteristics:

SKINNY JEANS (both boys and girls) The tighter the better. If an emo can hardly walk because of their jeans, then they've reached optimum emo status.

STRIPEY JUMPERS. Normally black and grey. If you're a boy, this should again be worn as tightly as possible. Breathing comfortably is a luxury you may have to sacrifice.

TATTY CONVERSE. Usually drawn on, as most emo's regard themselves as artists.

BLACK LONG HAIR COVERING ONE SIDE OF YOUR FACE. Vision can be compromsised for style as an emo. Try and make it as greasy as possible.

Finally, emo's MUST look down on everyone else, accuse them of being uncreative, judgemental, and the sole cause of their 'depression'. If you're a hardcore emo you'll cut yourself occasionally. If you're not, then you at least have to pretend you do.
Shouga

The last picture was leaning of the side of goth, but the rest of them are very much stereotypical emo; the guy and girl on that advert looked pretty normal to me.
I've read those definitions before Urbandictionary is love.
Joanne

Speaking of being labeled and stereotyped, last night/early this morning my husband and I were coming home from a party in Long Beach, a town down on the Jersey shore. Since we had a forty-five minute drive ahead of us, and we were tired, we decided to have coffee and disco fries at a diner, which at almost 3 a.m., was filled to capacity. (Diners never close here, ever. It’s a Jersey thing.) A few minutes after we got our food, a guy, who was obviously a local and slightly buzzed, burst into the diner and started yelling at the manager about “all these fucking bennys who don’t know how to fucking park their yuppy Audis and Land Rovers!” Apparently, a couple of us bennys parked too close to his truck and boxed him in.

What’s a “benny”? It’s an acronym people from Southern New Jersey use to describe tourists from Northern New Jersey and New York (Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, New York) who pollute and clog up the beaches during the summer, drown, drive too fast, cause car accidents, and generally make nuisances of themselves for the locals.
Fredrik

Pauline wrote:
Fredrik

The norwegian music/video was absolutly the most worst, rubbish and stupid music and video what exist in *all* the world. Fortualty, norwegian music isn't famous so we don't must hear it LOL!!

Sorry, Fredrik!!!I hope you're not in the video or someone of your family!!!

LOL, don't worry, I don't know these people. But they are one of the biggest Norwegian rap groups and everybody loves them for their ironic rapping. But I guess that any rapping will sound pretty meaningless if you don't know the language (probably why I dislike most English-speaking rap, I can't understand what they are saying!). The special thing about this group is that they rap in Nynorsk, or if you translate it to Belgian conditions, the equivalent of Walloon!
Uriel

Ah. Now I understand this sign:



And sort of agree, from a hairstyling point of view -- those are flat-out hideous haircuts!
Julian

Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?

Joanne wrote:
So, tracksuits, stomach out to yea, popping out multi-colored babies every other month? You mean like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain, right?

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This one's for you, Joanne ...


Kate Moss goes chav!


From heroin chic to chav chic.
Joanne

WTH? " alt="" border="0" /> I must have missed that episode!
Daniel

In Scotland, we call them "neds" (allegedly stands for "non-educated delinquents).
Elaine

There was this apparently newsworthy segment on the evening news on emo kids getting their asses kicked in school. When they promo'ed it I thought, "Now why would anybody want to beat up an emo kid? That's like hurting a butterfly!"

But then this sad, pasty-faced, wisp of an emo chick comes on and offered up this little gem:

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"The world is falling apart... birds are dying and, like... the birds are dying, and, like... everything is so hard."


And so I wanted to go out and beat up an emo kid.
David

Fredrik wrote:
In Norway they are called rånere ( derived from "male hog".). They are small-town hillbillies whose greatest pleasure is to cruise around in "pimped" custom cars dressed in sports wear, drink moonshine liquor and pick up local lasses outside the village snack bar. They normally worship kitschy icons such as Elvis.
A humourous insight into rural Norwegian chav/råne culture from the rural Norwegian rap group Side Brok (= Sagging Pants):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TYD7rEgEE


From, your description it sounds like you're referring to what we call wiggers in America...



Walker

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SKINNY JEANS (both boys and girls) The tighter the better. If an emo can hardly walk because of their jeans, then they've reached optimum emo status.


"...can hardly walk..."

Uriel wrote:
Ah. Now I understand this sign:



And sort of agree, from a hairstyling point of view -- those are flat-out hideous haircuts!


Yes, I totally agree. I wonder what inspired the creators of those hairstyles.





Donald is kind of emo, isn't he?

David wrote:
...what we call wiggers in America...




I thought diapers were for babies to pee and crap in -- not for guys to wear on their heads.

Shouga wrote:
An Emo is someone who tends to have dyed black hair and wears punk-gothic clothes, including long leather jackets. They are stereotypically portrayed as being sensitive, shy, depressed, quiet and introverted, and the most 'popular' stereotype given to Emo people is that they practice self-harm.


You mean goth, don't you? It seems that we have different views on what is emo and goth. That couple in Joanne's ad looked 'normal' to me too. Well, thank goodness for the old days when kids (guys) didn't bother quite as much with having a 'style'. Now you see these ridiculous haircuts everywhere!
Liz

Ther *are* chavs in the States, too...they are called "white trash".

Chavs are called scallies in Northern England. The term "scally" is derived from "scallywag", meaning a rogue or simply a bum.

Here are videos of *the* quintessential scally, Devvo:

http://www.fat-pie.com/chavs.htm

Hilarious! I'm not sure if he is real.

And a chav wedding:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yosbkVlT018
Rio

Nyuk! love the chav diagram Uriel!

I live two blocks away from the town's mall and all the emos congregate in front of Maccas, hundreds of them. Then police come and supervise them. There are weekend emos, which consist of those kids with naturally dark hair (brown) and they just brush it and spike it up on the weekend when they arent attending their private school and then there is the full-time ones with their piercings etc.

We don't have chavs, the closest is "bogan" in Australia. It used to be the old skinny leg with a black metal band t-shirt, mullet and ripples and a few bad tats (ladies are generally fatter with blond roots growing out, black leggins, kung fu shoes and silver jewellery, esp rings on every finger) but it has evolved now more to dada shirts, baseball caps, trackies and general untidiness (bit like the chavs, neds minus the labels and jewellery).

Example of old style bogan (hair not quite right):

Uriel

Ah, the old metalhead/headbanger.  Now endangered, although you still see the occasional tasty mullet on some guy who still hasn't gotten the message. Some of them evolved into grunge, but those were the lightweight version.
Rio

Uriel wrote:
Ah, the old metalhead/headbanger.  Now endangered, although you still see the occasional tasty mullet on some guy who still hasn't gotten the message. Some of them evolved into grunge, but those were the lightweight version.


Yeah, part metalhead but part pub rock. There was a strong pub rock element around when I was growing around which pretty much provided the whole of the Australian music industry in the 80s. Some of it was alright (eg INXS), some of it was terrible (eg Jimmy Barnes). They also picked up on crap like GNR and other international heavy acts. To this day, I'm still allergic to 80s metal.

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