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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Sarkozy ri-di-cule !!!Voilà ce que Poutine a réussi à faire de Sarkozy à la suite d'un entretien bilatéral au G8 : l'air idiot de Sarkozy sous l'emprise de l'alcool.Dommage que Poutine ne lui ait pas offert une vodka-polonium. 
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| Liz |
Honte et disgrace !!!! C'est Sarkozy (ou Sárközy -- non, je n'utilise pas l'ortographie hongroise...) .  
Pardonne-moi, Greg...mon niveau de francais n'est pas tres* bon, mais ta vidéo est vraiment ridicule -- en tant que mon francais !!! 
* Malhereusement, je ne trouve pas l'accent grave sur la claviature hongroise. 
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| Benjamin [inactive] |
Mdr ... seulement Sarkozy.
J'essaye à imaginer d'autres politicians dans une situation comparable — George W. Bush, oui ; Angela Merkel, peut-être ... mais Gordon Brown dans un état d'ivresse ? Non, il semble trop mat pour ça.
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| Pauline |
It's the belgian TV news Was this on the French TV as well?
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Tu parles ! Ici la téloche et les médias en général sont complètement soviétisés. Dans la démocrature de Nicolaï Sarkocescu les "journalistes" sont tenus en laisse.  → journaliste officiel de la "France" sarkozienne.
Tu vois, les scribouillards français ont un point commun avec Sarkozy : ils ne craignent pas le ridicule. 
Oui, la France et la Hongrie partagent le triste privilège de faire parler d'elles en mal... 
Tu te débrouilles très bien. Pour écrire <è>, tu fais Alt puis tu composes 138. Pour <È>, Alt & 200. 
La censure sarkozienne. 
 → n'est-ce pas qu'il est beau notre sous-bush berlusconisé ?!?
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| Liz |
"Sarkozienne" - LOL ! Nooooon !!!! C'est un peu épais...  Pauvre chien !!!
C'est triste mais c'est vrais aussi.
D'ailleurs, le premier ministre de Hongrie est un peu ridicule aussi.*Un peu*...
Merci beaucoup, mais ce ne fonctionne pas. J'ais une claviature hongroise. Je crois ce fonctionne sur la claviature anglaise. Greg, je pense tu as une phobie de Sarkozy. Je déteste Sarkozy aussi, mais ta phobie est un peu serieux. Je n'aime pas mon ministre premier, mais je ne collectionne pas les photos de Gyurcsány.
Peut-être ??? Angela Merkel ? Benjamin, est-ce que tu es serieux? Ton imagination est sans de limites ! Je ne connais pas tres bien Gordon Brown, mais...Tony Blair, par exemple? Eh bien, qu'est-ce que tu crois ?
Well, I think it must have been a rather embarassing experience for Sarkozy and the Belgian public alike, let alone the entire population of France. To be perfectly honest, the least concerns do I have for Sarkozy himself. I think that a president should be much more aware of the consequences of his deeds or public appearance, but I think my hopes will be unfulfilled as long as a person of Sarkozy's calibre can be a president. I don't want to go into details concerning the politicians, especially the PM of my own country, but the situation is quite similar, though, in an entirely different way. Suffice to say, I do sympathise with French people now as I know the feeling, too. |
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| Pauline |
Why for the Belgian public? We like to get our chances to laugh at France (they're always mocking the belgians for being stupid LOL!! )
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| Liz |
Okay, you're right. Sorry. I don't know what I'm writing about between two exams and good chances for sunstroke. I don't know why I wrote that it was embarassing for "the Belgian public", too. On the contrary, it's good for you and a treat to watch.
I promise I'll consider seriously what I'm going to post here in the foreseeable future, okay?
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| Joanne |
Re: Sarkozy ri-di-cule !!!He should've eaten more bread! That would've soaked up that date-rape vodka cocktail that Putin probably gave him...Did he think that was water on the dining table?? Silly Nicky... 
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| Loic |
Yawn. I do not know how low and despicable someone can get, but punching below the belt is apparently a favourite tactic of someone here. No manly and honourable Queensberry rules, eh?
To those who are only good at lifting an accusatory finger at President Sarkozy, you would be shocked to learn that the prevailing mood in France is largely for the man. In fact, the French seems very happy with their choice. Polls say that Mr Sarkozy is the most popular newly elected President since General Charles de Gaulle. It is highly likely that Sarkozy's UMP would now get a crushing majority in parliament. Voters are handing the centre-right government an exceptionally strong mandate to carry out the reforms he promised to undertake. Greg, you are actually a very agreeable person. But you are a sad tragic act when it comes to your personal bias. In no way can you be completely sure that Mr Sarkozy was drunk. He actually recovered very well towards the end of his short speech in which he excused himself for being late. Could he actually have been running frentically to the press room? When I am out of breath, I behave like that as well. Unless I am mistaken, you also once mentioned about Mr Sarkozy roughing up his wife in the run up to the presidential elections. Apparently, this sizzling bit of news has not seen the light ever since. Also, I'd like to add that the particular broadcasting authority which made such a contemptible insinuation, has since apologised to the Elysee for unfounded allegations. Unless you are damn sure that he is drunk -and you are willing to stake your mother's life on it-, don't go around and believe fabricated news. You are older than I am. But apparently not as sensible. |
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| Liz |
Although I'm not fond of Sarkozy, I feel sorry for him because of this incident. Allegedly, he doesn't usually drink, so his organism doesn't tolerate alcohol that much. He drinks a bit without eating enough and gets totally bladdered.
Having said that, I still think that he, as a president, is responsible for his public behaviour, and it was foolish to drink before his speech without consideration. P.S.: He was clearly drunk. Full stop. |
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
And you would be shocked to see how medias & pollsters are controlled by the government and their business acolytes. The prevailing mood in Frence is deep suspicion : 57 % of French voters didn't choose Sarkozy. The turnout for a législatives' first round has never been so low as last Sunday : abstention → 40 % ! The UMP (the Stalinian party for Sarkozy) gathered not even 25 % of the votes and yet that's what they're likely to get in terms of seats at the Assemblée nationale : 
I can tell you that new riots, more widespsread this time, are certain to break out in a not so distant future if Sarkozy's "programme" were to be implemented (which it never will anyway...). That's another difference between De Gaulle and the buffoon : the former was able to defuse a long, latent civil war when France experienced much harder times while the latter will create one of his own making.
I wasn't invited at the G8 of course. Still, I believe Sarkozy to be exactly as vulgar as shown on the video. Sarkozy running up to the journalists because he was "late" ? You've got to be kidding me... This creature just doesn't work that way.
Yes, you're mistaken. The story emerged before the elections. As did more stories, all censored — including the île de la Jatte financial scandal investigated by Le canard enchaîné.
Ha ha ha ! It only shows that the buffoon has friends in Belgium...
You know nothing about what's going on here, loic. And please, spare me the lesson in bias : you're second to none. |
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| Loic |
Greg:
Yes, Greg. We all have our own biases, but I would never stoop so low as to personally attack anyone whom I do not know. And therein lies the difference between you and me. |
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| Loic |
Isn't that what I said? You broke this piece of news to me in the run up to the election. How am I mistaken? |
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| Loic |
And you know what is happening in Iraq? Are you an intimate of President Bush and PM Blair? That lack of intimacy did not discourage you from launching streams of vitriols against their political convictions. Your sheer visceral hatred of Sarkozy borders on the pathological. You need to see a shrink. It is simply not worth it getting angry at him. He's already your President. It's a fait accompli. Short of single-handedly launching a coup d'etat, nothing is going to change this fact. Your reaction to any Sarkozian gaffe is Pavlovian in nature. I think my participation in this debate has inadvertently contributed to a miasma of rancour and ill-will between Greg and myself. I sincerely regret the deterioration in relations, but politics is alas, fiesty business. |
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| Deborah |
Inadvertently? Your choice of words seems deliberately inflammatory to me. |
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| Pauline |
Of course the Frenhc government's lawyers / diplomats have spoken with those in Belgium, and RTBF was forced to make this apology. RTBF make apologys all the time LOL!!! I think it was this broadcasting autority who said on live TV about Bush when he was visiting Belgium, they wish it were Clinton Also it was RTBF who've made the long and serious-style newsflash broadcast that Flanders was split up from Wallonie and the entire story for example you must have your passport for the 7 border controls bewteen Brussls and Liège & for make a phone call to Flanders from wallonie will be international charge, etc... I like RTBF  
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| Benjamin [inactive] |
It's amazing how people without support from the majority of the electorate can gain so much power, isn't it? 78% of the British electorate (or 65% of those who voted) didn't vote for Tony Blair's party in 2005, and many of those who did were thinking more about their local candidate than the party leader, yet he still got into power (and has arguably ruled like a president).
Ha, that's almost as bad as in the election for the Scottish Parliament last month! Depressing though, I must say. |
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Oh please, loic, don't be ridiculous... Shall I be so cruel & copy-paste your tirades about the « socialists » ?
Yes, I do know what's going on in Iraq. The current apocalyptic situation is yet one more proof you don't need to be « an intimate of President Bush and PM Blair » to know what it's all about. Drop The Economist. Try Le Monde diplomatique instead...
La différence entre toi et moi, loic, c'est que moi je suis français et que j'aime mon pays, dans lequel je vis. Toi, tu ne sais pas de quoi tu parles. Quant à Sarkozy, il n'est pas "mon" président. Il est juste le type choisi par 43 % de mes compatriotes pour être le "président" d'une République dont le territoire se trouve correspondre aux limites de mon pays. Point barre. À la moindre occasion, des millions de mes compatriotes feront tout ce qu'il faut pour le foutre dehors à coups de pied au cul.
loic, on se pratique depuis un certain temps. On va pas se fâcher pour si peu. Toi et moi aimons bien la confrontation virile.  Ou est le problème ? 
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| Loic |
Greg:
I am really glad that both of us have an understanding that what is said on the pitch remains on the pitch. Further sledging exercises would not make me feel guilty then! Since we are both men of strong passions, it is inevitable that any debate escalates into a mighty row from time to time, but as long as the lid is firmly kept on the cauldron, we should all be safe from an explosion. With regards to the results that have trickled in, I am disappointed that the anticipated 'blue wave' has failed to surface. Alain Juppe has fallen. The centre-right UMP continue to have a majority, but I personally feel that it is a muted victory. What interests me though is the separation of that golden Socialist couple. That explains the absence of a hearty support for Segolene Royal from her former 'husband'. I was thinking that if Nicolas Sarkozy had been caught with his trousers down instead of Francois Holland, you would have made a lot of political capital out of it. As it is, it is the roly poly man from the left has been exposed as a philanderer. The make up of the National Assembly would probably please you. But the gains made by the Socialist Party are still nothing to write home about. The immutable fact remains that the UMP still holds a majority and are able to single-handedly push through bills in parliament. PS: You are right in suspecting that I am heavily influenced in my outlook by The Economist. However, I am a thinking human being who does not mindlessly accept facts that are presented to me. I also make it a habit to skim through the Financial Times on a daily basis and the FT has an editorial line that is slightly tilted towards the left. However, both the newspapers I subscribe to have firm and unequivocal ideas on what constitutes good business practices and they are rooted in neo-classical liberalism. What I like about France is her stout defence of her culture and language. I agree that the market is incapable of placing the correct value on intangible things such as wine, cheese or architectural monuments. One of the main reasons why I initially chose to learn French many moons ago was the fact that the French still speak mostly French - sort of. I really like the fact that you sometimes choose to reply monolinggually in French to a discussion. I am of the opinion that every educated man should have a good command of both English and French. This has been so in the past and it should continue to be so in future. So we actually have plenty in common if we look beyond the insular domain of geopolitics. |
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Allez, essayez. Tapez dans n’importe quel moteur « Sarkozy » combiné avec un mot tel que « saoûl » ou « ivre », voici peut-être ce que vous trouverez :
Sarkozy saoûl → 879.000 (943.000) Sarkozy soûl → 772.000 (874.000) Sarkozy bourré → 783.000 (959.000) Sarkozy beurré → 263.000 (359.000) Sarkozy alcoolisé → 1.040.000 (962.000) Sarkozy éméché → 984.000 (1.020.000) Sarkozy déchiré → 279.000 (341.000) Sarkozy vodka → 741.000 (809.000) Sarkozy wodka → 60.800 (63.800) Саркози водка → 46.600 (Сарко → 847) Sarkoff → 9.440 Sarkozy pompette → 51.500 (Sarko → 56.300) Sarkozy alcool → 1.070.000 (1.130.000) Sarkozy cocaïne → 442.000 (479.000) Sarkozy drunk → 757.000 (812.000) Sarkozy cuite → 172.000 (199.000) Sarkozy vomir → 149.000 (179.000) Sarkozy ivresse → 356.000 (382.000) Sarkozy grisé → 670.000 (777.000). Voici la vidéo du G8 des Guignols. Et voici les stats de la vraie vidéo : 
(en abscisse les heures écoulées après la conférence de presse, en ordonnée les visionnages) |
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| Liz |
GREG:
Je ne veux pas te blesser, mais je crois ton aversion pour Sarkozy est presque pathologique. Je n'aime pas Sarkozy, mais...
Je sais, je sais...ce ne sont pas mes oignons. 
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Ne t'inquiète pas : tout va bien ! Ce qui va mal en France, c'est le décalage total entre des médias aux ordres ou muselés et la société civile. La circulation de l'info pose problème. La vidéo de Sarkozy au G8 l'illustre parfaitement. Alors que l'internet francophone enfle sous l'effet de la propagation virale d'une info (dont chacun discutera la nature) potentiellement (et symboliquement) explosive, les médias officiels de l'ordre établi se sont tus. Comme se sont déjà tues certaines voix qui avaient pour seul tort de présenter des faits avérés, dont la simple révélation est insupportable aux yeux de la Sarkozie. La médiature française n'a rien vu dans les deux vidéos qui puisse donner lieu à un quelconque commentaire, alors que la polémique déferle sur la toile telle un raz-de-marée qui emporte tout sur son passage, à commencer par les savants calculs pour la constitution d'un gouvernement en campagne permanente. Le Monde diplomatique, Le Canard enchaîné et Marianne mis à part, les infos dérangeantes nous viennent de Belgique ou de Suisse.
Il faut bien comprendre ce qui se passe en France. Une chape de plomb délétère pèse sur la liberté d'informer. Ceux qui seraient tentés de dénoncer les actes du nouveau pouvoir en place ont peur pour leur poste : ils s'autocensurent par crainte du lendemain. Si Ségolène Royal avait paru dans les mêmes conditions que Sarkozy — même dans une sous-préfecture du fin fond de la province —, son comportement aurait immédiatement fait la une de tous les JT et grands titres de France et de Navarre. Les agissements de l'oligarchie sarkozienne font planer un grave danger sur la France : celui d'une explosion à court terme faute de respiration démocratique. Il n'y a plus de soupape de sécurité. Plusieurs signes d'alerte auraient pourtant dû amener Monsieur 43 % à davantage de clairvoyance : Le Pen est arrivé au second tour en 2002 ; 3 ans plus tard 55 % des Français ont dit non au traité constitutionnel tandis que 92 % de leurs représentants officiels disaient oui ; la même année des émeutes sans précédent ont éclaté partout dans le pays parce que Sarkozy avait tenté d'étouffer la vérité sur les circonstances de la mort de deux adolescents ; en 2007 Sarkozy a été élu par 43 % des électeurs après avoir racolé l'électorat du FN. La majorité du peuple français n'a pas choisi Sarkozy et une majorité plus écrasante encore est consternée par les "idées" du FN. Aujourd'hui, Sarkozy reçoit Le Pen à l'Élysée — une triste première : Mitterrand et Chirac s'y sont toujours refusés. Tout indique que le divorce entre la société réelle et la clique aux commandes va s'accentuer. Le plus dangereux dans tout ça, c'est que Sarkozy ne se maîtrise pas et n'écoute pas. Le coup de semonce des législatives ne sera pas entendu : le locataire de l'Élysée, qui se permet d'y faire entrer Le Pen, continue son cirque de la pseudo-ouverture au "centre" et à "gauche". Il n'y aura pas d'autre avertissement électoral avant mars 2008. D'ici là, il sera peut-être trop tard pour revenir en arrière. |
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| Elaine |
Hérésie! As far as I know, Jackie O. never posed nude or sang songs about her many lovers and snorting cocaine.
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Jackie never dropped Joe Kennedy in order to sleep with JFK (not that Carla had an affair with Sarközy's father but she was with Jean-Paul Enthoven before she finally went for his son, Raphaël → picture below). 
Carla & Raphaël E.'s offspring (→ the boy snapped away by paparazzi, sitting on Sarközy's shoulders) seems to be the only sensible person on the next picture... 
I think Carla looks a lot like Cécilia, doesn't she ? 
OK. Both dresses are grey... 
Same kind of hat, n'est-ce pas Camilla ? 
Cécilia was perhaps wise enough to leave the risky job of "première" dame to the 21st-century Marie-Antoinette... 
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| Elaine |
Oh yeah, she does look like Cécilia, only 10 years younger. Well, it's nice to know he has a type, so in a few years when he grows tired of Carla, we'll all know what her replacement will look like! What does Monsieur le Président's first wife look like?
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Like this → 
Marie-Dominique Culioli, a Corsican (mentioning this is important since hordes of mafiopoliticians of Corsican extraction have always been making their way into French national politics via careful infiltration of any territorial collectivities pertaining to the overwealthy department n° 92, which neighbours the City of Paris to the west — that's Hauts-de-Seine → pronounce /o-dsɛn/ in just two syllables), is also a niece of Achille Peretti, whom Sarközy de Nagy-Bocsa succeeded in 1983 as mayor of Neuilly-sur-Seine (one of the wealthiest cities in dpt n° 92). You know, family ties... Charles Pasqua — another CIA-sponsored, 92-loving Corsican deeply involved in "national" police infiltration, in the development & management of parapolitic militias primarily manned by Corsican & Marseillais underworlds, in various dodgy oil- & game-related businesses established in Françafrique, Israel, Lebanon etc — was meant to take over from Neuilly's Peretti but Sarközy took advantage from Pasqua's forced stay in hospital (Big Charley was then having hernia surgery...) and "stole" the mayoral jackpot. That was how Sarközy came to "light"... 
This is a picture of two touching couples with their first babies on their knees... How softening, isn't it ?! On the right-hand side you'll notice Culioli & Sarközy, exactly symmetrised by a certain Cécilia (then Mrs Martin, though Mrs Sarközy to be) and her husband, Jacques Martin, a popular TV icon of the time who was reported to have poked Sarközy in the face as he learnt about Cécilia's affair with his "friend" (well, Jacques Martin got a sort of revenge when his man-eating spouse later cheated on Sarközy before the latter finally got another wedded bliss with another man-eater sweetly called Carla...). Anne Fulda (below) is the only one among Sarközy's mistresses I'm aware of. 
However, my dentist is positive Rachida Dati too is on the list... 
But I never lend an ear to gossips (especially those ranted by my dentist).
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| Elaine |
LOL. Goodness! Infidelity, deception, betrayal, power grabs, political intrigue... sounds like the plot of...
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
Yep, the plot of Dynasty... only less, much less, glamourous !
I wish we had Joan Collins & Linda Evans mudfighting instead of this Cécilia-Carla-Rachida-Fulda boring stuff...  
France has indeed degenerated into something close to the principality of Monaco with a plot straight out of a Dallas-like soap — with an extra zest of utter Sarkozian vulgarity, of course.
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| Elaine |
I don't think Sarkozy's personal life can compete with those of la famille Grimaldi. I've always felt that they're the epitome of what we here in this side of the Atlantic refer to as Eurotrash, especially that Stephanie girl, who looks alarmingly tanorexic in that picture. The guy behind the Prince is cute though. 
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| greg in noord-frankrijk |
C'est clair que Steph' de Monac' représente une certaine Européenne-type (fin XXe & début XXIe en fait).
 → comment faire plus trash ?!
↓ but Europe was so decadently trashy in the 80s... 
↓ un p'tit peu mieux, non ? Mais c'est précisément cela — avec tout le reste — qui fait d'elle un personnage humain : comment tomber plus bas tout en étant la fille d'un pseudo-aristocrate régnant sur un confetti et d'une égérie des années 50 ? 
Certes, Caroline (sa sœur aînée) représente qqn de plus timide & conventionnel (en apparence du moins), mais les liens intimes de la fatrie princière monégasque **semblent** intacts, même après la disparition des deux metteurs en scène (Grace & Rainier). 
But I'm awaiting André's comments about that South-African Charlène... 
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