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| Irrintzi |
The europeans came from Basque country?during the last ice age, the men of Europe took refuge towards the current area of the Basque Country
the ADN, give some information, in red to yellow, the haplogroup V mutation... to undestand this see the site in the bottom. On this time, the sea was lower 
the site: (french) http://ma.prehistoire.free.fr/basque.htm (english) http://vetinarilord.blogspot.com/...a-analysis-in-ancient-basque.html http://www.jogg.info/22/Coffman.htm |
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| Loic |
Is this speculation or a theory that is grounded in research? I was given to understand that the Basques are one of the oldest inhabiting race in Europe and that they were more or less displaced by later arrivals.
A little digression, but can one distinguish between a Basque and a non Basque based on physical characteristics alone? |
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| fab |
I know quite some basque people, and to me they are completly undistinguishable from the neibouring regions's people. |
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| Irrintzi |
This is a real biological experience, based on the genealogy and the genes. It's a theory around mysteries resemblances of the haplogroup V tested on different europe people, they maked a map with this.
This experience don't say basque people are the oldest people of europe, but during the last glaciation (-15000) the Europeans took refuge in the Basque country, so the European population concentrated in this place, up to the reheating, where everybody left in everything directions, but i don't think that the mediterraneans went to the basque country region because the climate was certainly more hot than the basque region, thus I think that in the arrival of the " primal - Basque " men, there were already some autochthons, but in the course of time the peoples mixed. The basques have a little difference with other people (as others), generally they are quite tall, brown-fair (depend the region), with "right" or aquiline nose, the eyes are sunken, clear brown, grey or green, the pilosity is quite present on the chest, in the shoulders and the members is less visible. genetically: the basque have a great proportion of 0 rhesus positive. But it's difficult for the foreigners to distingate a french, a spanish or a basque people. In france around 1000000 of people have a basque historic patronym (Bordeaux-Garonne-Ariège), in Spain 4000000 (Ebro valley-Asturias-Andorra). 
see this site : http://abarka.free.fr/curiosites/type.php |
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| Pauline |
I read one time that they've more rhesus negative that the other countries and also high incidence of Down's Syndrome but this can be better explaiend by the limited genetic diversity that the genetic of the population. Are this things correct ? I can't rmember where've i read it because it wasn't recent.Also I'v read that some things they have thought possible disocvering useing the genome are not possible. Group 0 is the oldest one, no ? I've read this because there is an order in which began the blood types : 0, A, B, AB. My blood is AB what is the most recent and least frequent type. It exist since some hundred years, and 0 exist since some 100.000s years. |
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| Fredrik |
I guess you mean pilosité = hair? LOL, so Basques are very hairy people? (Even funnier because Uriel and I made fun of a Finnish study about different patterns of body hair in Finns on another thread....  )
But "members" as in slang for penises? You Basques have less visible penises??? Like Star Wars lighsabers that can glow on half light with energy saving?
(Forgive me for associating penis with sword. I've had a Norse class today and the Viking word for penis was actually sverð = sword!) |
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| Deborah |
I took it to mean "limbs".
Hence the title of an interesting Danish movie I saw when I was in college called The Long Swift Sword of Siegfried. (I think it was Danish.) |
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| Pauline |
LOL !!! 
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| Akoni |
HAHAHAA LOL nice one
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| Irrintzi |
lol, on ne c'est pas compris, je crois...
Sorry for my english, when i say members, they are, "la pilosité des mains, les pieds, les jambes est peu visible" you undestand now? and i don't think basques have little penises, lol..., if you undestand french, see the description of basque people by a french pilgrim Aymery Picaud on the middle age: " Cette terre, à la langue barbare, est boisée, monstrueuse, dénuée de pain de vin et de tout aliments corporels, mais en revanche on y trouve des pommes, du cidre et ,du lait..... Ils sont féroces et la terre qu'ils habitent est aussi féroce, sylvestre et barbare; la férocité de leur visage et de même barbarie de leur langue, épouvantent les coeurs de ceux qui les voient..... si tu les entendais parler te te souviendrais de chien aboyants. En effet, ils ont une langue tout à fait barbare.... Ce peuple est un peuple barbare, différent de tous par ses coutumes et son essence, plein de malice, de teint noir, laid à voir, dépavré, pervers,perfide, dénudé de bonne foi et corrompu, libidineux, ivrogne, savant en toutes violences, féroce et sauvage, malhonnête et réprouvé, impie et dur, cruel et querelleur, ignorant de tout ce qui est bon, savant en tous vices et iniquités, semblable en malice aux Getes et aux Sarrasins, ennemi en tout de nos gens de France. Pour un sou seulement, le Basque et le Navarrais tue, s'il le peut, un français..." It's sympatic no? "Dans certaines régions, soit en Biscaye et en Alava, quand les Navarrais se réchauffent, l'homme montre à la femme, et la femme à l'homme, leurs parties honteuses. Les Navarrais usent même de la fornication incestueuse avec leurs bestiaux; on dit en effet que le Navarrais suspend au postérieur de sa mule et de sa jument un cadenas, afin que nul autre n'y parvienne. La vulve de la femme et de la mule offre des baisers libidineux". The basque are compared as animals... http://members.freespeech.org/ehj...views/ehj_interviews_hirurak.html |
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| fab |
Quite difficult to distinguish from non-basque surrounding peoples. To me being basque is essentially sharing a territory and a language. |
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| Deborah |
Just to follow up...The Long Swift Sword of Siegfried apparently was a Germany/US collaboration starring Sybelle (Cybelle?) Danninger, aka Sybil (Cybil?) Danning. As I recall, it was dubbed in English, so I couldn't tell what the original language was. | ||||
| Fredrik |
lol yes, but very cunning animals who put chastity belts on other animals! 
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| Irrintzi |
Yes it's true. And you forgot the culture. |
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| Pauline |
In the Basque country in France and /or Spain, learn the pupils in basque or in french / spanish ? Are there some basque-speaking schools ? | ||||
| Irrintzi |
Bonne question! Il existe des écoles basques unilingues appelées "Ikastolak" (les maisons de la connaissance), se sont des écoles privées non-confessionnelles du Pays basque par immersion en basque. La 1ere fut créee en 1914, mais lors de la guerre civile espagnole les franquistes supposèrent de détruire toutes ces écoles, finalement l'élan populaire prit le dessus. ( site ikastola: http://www.seaska.info/fr/index.html), il y a 20000 personnes unilingues basques. Puis, des 2 côtés il existe des écoles publiques qui sont bilingues basque-français/espagnol, dans l'enseignement avec des heures égales. Cependant encore la grande majorité (57%) des personnes vivant au pays basque privilégient l'enseignement unilingue espagnol ou français, argumentant que le basque ne représente pas une grande priorité dans le savoir et le futur de leurs enfants... Enfin le basque enseigné est l'"euskara batua" (basque unifié), il est la réunification de tout les dialectes basques connus et existants encore, cependant les opinions et les idées changent et les langues dialectales commencent à reprendre vie (en particulier le souletin, dialecte très éloigné du basque standard) Dialectes, dont a été établi une classification faite par Louis Lucien Bonaparte (neveu de Napoléon Bonaparte) 
Carte très détaillée ici: http://www.muturzikin.com/EHmapa14.htm Espagne Biscayen Gipuzcoan Haut-Navarrais Haut-Navarrais méridional Haut-Navarrais septentrional Roncalais (éteint, certainement proche du Souletin) France Souletin France et Espagne Labourdin Bas-Navarrais Bas-Navarrais oriental Bas-Navarrais occidental Aussi, il faudrait rajouter l'aquitain, dialecte disparu ou du moins, c'est latinisé pour devenir le gascon, d'autre variante latine de substrat basque existent comme le navarro-aragonais presque disparu, et certainement le castillan. |
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| Pauline |
Very interesting ! | ||||
| Irrintzi |
I am satisfied to see that it interhook! | ||||
| Irrintzi |
About aquitanian (extinct basque language related, ancestor of the gascon), few informations can be take on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitanian_language | ||||