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Porthos

The straight thread

Yay!!! Heterosexual pride! Since our gay friends made their own thread, I thought we could have one of our own.

Unfortunately, we don't have a flag or anything, lol.
Pauline

LOL !!!
Deborah

So, Josh, you're not in the least atttracted to men? Please don't assume my question is an attempt at mocking you. I'm being sincere. For me, the thought of being with a woman is, if not repulsive, at least totally odd and uninteresting. Is that how you feel about the thought of being with a man? As a heterosexual female, it's hard for me to imagine it being anything otherwise, but I'm sure you feel the opposite.
Benjamin [inactive]

That's interesting actually, Deborah. A lot of people seem to think that heterosexuals are always only attracted to the opposite sex, whilst homosexuals are always attracted only to the same sex. But actually, a gay man, for example, may still find a woman attractive, but wouldn't want to have a sexual relationship with her.

It's kind of like that with me. I consider myself to be asexual, because I am totally indifferent sex — I don't consider sex in itself to be repulsive, but I really don't like the idea of having a sexual relationship with anyone and I have no sexual desires at all. However, that doesn't prevent me from finding certain people more attractive (in various ways) than others.
Porthos

Deborah wrote:
So, Josh, you're not in the least atttracted to men? Please don't assume my question is an attempt at mocking you. I'm being sincere. For me, the thought of being with a woman is, if not repulsive, at least totally odd and uninteresting. Is that how you feel about the thought of being with a man? As a heterosexual female, it's hard for me to imagine it being anything otherwise, but I'm sure you feel the opposite.


As long as we're going for a perfect mirror replication of the gay thread, then perhaps I should try to paraphrase Andre's response to my question in that thread.

While we're at it, we better make up a "straight anthem". Is there a song about breasts??? I don't know what the flag would be though, lol.
Porthos

Benjamin wrote:
That's interesting actually, Deborah. A lot of people seem to think that heterosexuals are always only attracted to the opposite sex, whilst homosexuals are always attracted only to the same sex. But actually, a gay man, for example, may still find a woman attractive, but wouldn't want to have a sexual relationship with her.

It's kind of like that with me. I consider myself to be asexual, because I am totally indifferent sex — I don't consider sex in itself to be repulsive, but I really don't like the idea of having a sexual relationship with anyone and I have no sexual desires at all. However, that doesn't prevent me from finding certain people more attractive (in various ways) than others.


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Are you serious? How is that? You mean you're not sexually attracted at all to any human being at all? I find that hard to imagine.
Deborah

Benjamin wrote:
That's interesting actually, Deborah. A lot of people seem to think that heterosexuals are always only attracted to the opposite sex, whilst homosexuals are always attracted only to the same sex. But actually, a gay man, for example, may still find a woman attractive, but wouldn't want to have a sexual relationship with her.

Another interesting thing is that, in my experience, many straight men assume that all straight women are at least a little bit sexually attracted to other women. The truth is, interest in one's own sex, in the opposite sex, or in sex, period, can range from total interest to no interest.
Benjamin [inactive]

Porthos wrote:
Are you serious? How is that? You mean you're not sexually attracted at all to any human being at all? I find that hard to imagine.

Yes, that's what I said. Some estimates suggest that about 1% of people are essentially asexual. You can read about it on this website:
http://www.asexuality.org/
Deborah

Josh, would you mind put a few returns in your string of question marks?
Elaine

So, with all seriousness, I'd like to pose a few questions for you all:

    When did you decide to be straight? How old were you and why did you choose that lifestyle?

    Also, how can you tell if someone's straight? What are some clues?


Btw, Josh, there is a straight pride flag and it looks like this:



Although, if you ask me, it's pretty bland and boring, lacking in color and imagination.
André in Zuid-Afrika

I would just like to say that I accept straight people the way they are. I support the view that they are born that way, and that it's not a choice. Some of my best friends have friends who have straight friends.
fab

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Yes, that's what I said. Some estimates suggest that about 1% of people are essentially asexual. You can read about it on this website:



That's interesting, I actually often asked myself if asexuality existed. That said, it doesn't mean that you are really asexual. Some people more later to desire, an you are still young, things can change.
Sander

Porthos wrote:


While we're at it, we better make up a "straight anthem". Is there a song about breasts???


Very emancipated Porthos ...

Benjamin, I don't think asexuality is in the same league as being gay, bi or straight. I think, for you at least, it might be something temporal, like fab said. Afterall, most children, especially girls, are asexual untill about the age of 6.

It might have something to do with your living pattern, I believe you said you went/go to an all-men school? Well, I can image that when you have an active life (studying, sports, hanging out with friends) girls play a lesser role in your social life.
Porthos

André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
I would just like to say that I accept straight people the way they are. I support the view that they are born that way, and that it's not a choice. Some of my best friends have friends who have straight friends.


Good one Andre, good one.
Porthos

Quote:
When did you decide to be straight? How old were you and why did you choose that lifestyle?


Well, as Fab mentioned, we are all asexual until a certain age, because we are innocent children. But, when I was still at the asexual stage as a small child, I was still attracted to girls in an innocent way, because they looked appealing to me, with their softer, prettier features, etc. But, once hormones kicked in, I obviously became sexually attracted to girls. I chose to be straight because girls made me hot and still do.



Elaine, you're right. That flag is lame. We must make one of our own, but it will be hard to beat the vibrancy of the other team's flag, lol!



[/quote]Also, how can you tell if someone's straight? What are some clues?
Quote:


I would describe that in detail, but I'm afraid it would be too graphic in the presence of ladies.

And Deborah, okay. I will put some returns on the question marks.
Deborah

Porthos wrote:
Well, as Fab mentioned, we are all asexual until a certain age, because we are innocent children. But, when I was still at the asexual stage as a small child, I was still attracted to girls in an innocent way, because they looked appealing to me, with their softer, prettier features, etc. But, once hormones kicked in, I obviously became sexually attracted to girls. I chose to be straight because girls made me hot and still do.
But you didn't choose to be attracted to girls. That attraction is what makes you straight, not following up on it.
Sander

Porthos wrote:
I chose to be straight


Do you honestly think you can choose your sexual orientation?
Benjamin [inactive]

Sander wrote:
Benjamin, I don't think asexuality is in the same league as being gay, bi or straight. I think, for you at least, it might be something temporal, like fab said.

People always say this. I often find that homosexuality is much more accepted than asexuality (at least in countries which are largely accepting of homosexuals, such as England and the Netherlands).

I accept the possibility that I may not be asexual forever, in the same way that I accept that heterosexuals may sometimes (very rarely) suddenly become homosexual and vice versa. However, there are plenty of people who have stayed asexual for their whole lives, so I'm not holding any 'hopes' that I may suddenly become interested in sex. That said, I don't see this as a 'problem' — I have no desire for change.

It's ultimately about now though. Now I am asexual.

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Afterall, most children, especially girls, are asexual untill about the age of 6.

Wow, do most people really become sexual that early?

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It might have something to do with your living pattern, I believe you said you went/go to an all-men school? Well, I can image that when you have an active life (studying, sports, hanging out with friends) girls play a lesser role in your social life.

You're right that I go to an all-boys school now, but before I was 16.5, I went to a mixed school. And although my school is all-boys, there is actually an all-girls school in the same building, and the facilities for the sixth-form are shared. I would definitely describe most boys my age at my school as essentially 'sexual' (usually hetero, although we have a number of openly gay boys as well) — most of them actually find my situation rather fascinating, even if they never seem to quite understand.
Sander

Benjamin wrote:
Sander wrote:
Benjamin, I don't think asexuality is in the same league as being gay, bi or straight. I think, for you at least, it might be something temporal, like fab said.

People always say this. I often find that homosexuality is much more accepted than asexuality (at least in countries which are largely accepting of homosexuals, such as England and the Netherlands).


Hmm, I think asexuality has this image of "not a form of sexuality, just people who can't get a girl/guy". Each his own is my opinion.

Benjamin wrote:
Sander wrote:
Afterall, most children, especially girls, are asexual untill about the age of 6.

Wow, do most people really become sexual that early?


Eh, well let's not exaggerate "sexuality" here, but sociologists generally think that an awareness of "different sexes" emerges at that age. Perhaps ironically, it often results in the forming of "all boy" and "all girl" groups ... it's not really till about the age of 11 before kinds actually "get" atracted to the opposite sex.

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Deborah

Sander wrote:
Eh, well let's not exaggerate "sexuality" here, but sociologists generally think that an awareness of "different sexes" emerges at that age. Perhaps ironically, it often results in the forming of "all boy" and "all girl" groups ... it's not really till about the age of 11 before kinds actually "get" atracted to the opposite sex.

That's what they always say, but I recall having feelings around the age of 6 that I later recognized as being very much the same as sexual attraction toward the opposite sex. Interestingly, I felt this way about one of my mother's best friends, who was gay.
Sander

Deborah wrote:

That's what they always say, but I recall having feelings around the age of 6 that I later recognized as being very much the same as sexual attraction toward the opposite sex. Interestingly, I felt this way about one of my mother's best friends, who was gay.


Well ... I know that freud said that all men subconsiously (and mostly platonic) are "in love" with their mothers and girls with their fathers. I don't know much about your parental situation, but if your dad might have been disaffectionate towards you, or away from home a lot, it might explain the feeling towards this friend ...
Deborah

Sander wrote:
That's what they Well ... I know that freud said that all men subconsiously (and mostly platonic) are "in love" with their mothers and girls with their fathers. I don't know much about your parental situation, but if your dad might have been disaffectionate towards you, or away from home a lot, it might explain the feeling towards this friend ...

Well, it is true that my parents were divorced when I was 4 and my father moved to L.A. and I only saw him a few times a year, but I can definitely say that the feelings I had for my mother's friend were quite different than those I had for my father.
Sander

Deborah wrote:
[...] but I can definitely say that the feelings I had for my mother's friend were quite different than those I had for my father.


We're these feelings truly sexual then?
Benjamin [inactive]

Sander wrote:
Hmm, I think asexuality has this image of "not a form of sexuality, just people who can't get a girl/guy".

Yes, it does seem to have that image. Or they think I'm secretly gay. It's almost as though they can understand my lack of desire for vaginas, but only if it is replaced by a buried desire for penises. Seriously, if I were gay, I'd come out — I can't imagine that I'd really have any social problems as a result (my grandparents might be a bit surprised at first, but they'd get over it).
Sander

Benjamin wrote:
It's almost as though they can understand my lack of desire for vaginas, but only if it is replaced by a buried desire for penises.


haha, well there's one way to describe sexual attraction ...
Deborah

Sander wrote:
Deborah wrote:
[...] but I can definitely say that the feelings I had for my mother's friend were quite different than those I had for my father.


We're these feelings truly sexual then?

I didn't know about sex, so I certainly wasn't fantasizing about having sex with him, but the feelings I had in his presence and on receiving attention from him felt just like those I felt later with guys I was attracted to.
Porthos

There's more to sexual attraction than penises or vaginas. I can't speak for every guy in the world, but when I'm attracted to a girl, or come across a girl I find attractive, I actually don't think about a vagina, but mainly how she looks with clothes on. Her face, the swell of her breasts, her butt, her curves, her hair, her eyes, her lips, etc. I find your situation fascinating Benjamin. You have never been aroused at all by any thought, feeling, or experience in your entire life? Ever?
Sander

Deborah wrote:
Sander wrote:
Deborah wrote:
[...] but I can definitely say that the feelings I had for my mother's friend were quite different than those I had for my father.


We're these feelings truly sexual then?

I didn't know about sex, so I certainly wasn't fantasizing about having sex with him, but the feelings I had in his presence and on receiving attention from him felt just like those I felt later with guys I was attracted to.


More like feeling apreciated/loved?
Benjamin [inactive]

Porthos wrote:
There's more to sexual attraction than penises or vaginas.

Of course. I didn't intend that to be taken literally.

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I find your situation fascinating Benjamin. You have never been aroused at all by any thought, feeling, or experience in your entire life? Ever?

My 'condition' can be summed up in one short sentence — I don't want to have sex. This can be further clarified by saying that I really don't like the thought of sex, and that I don't have sexual desires for men, women, intersexuals, children, babies, corpses or animals. That doesn't necessarily mean that I have never been 'aroused' — although I'm not sure exactly what does and what doesn't constitute 'arousal'.
Porthos

Quote:
I don't have sexual desires for men, women, intersexuals, children, babies, corpses or animals.


Um, you forgot to include stuffed animals and apple pies. (The latter comment comes from a scene in American Pie)

I know a lot of people who choose to not have sex before marriage. Could this possibly explain your current aversion to sex, which would be "pre-marital" sex?

Sander,
A lot of work has been done on this topic. Studies have shown that children as young as toddler age, have an immature development of sexuality. For instance, small children will sometimes often masturbate, even if they themselves don't know why, or without thinking about deriving pleasure. It's like an instinctive response. And some people these days, start puberty at an alarmingly early age. I have a friend who had her first period at 8 years old. Scary, isn't?
Benjamin [inactive]

Porthos wrote:
I know a lot of people who choose to not have sex before marriage.

I don't, except for Muslims.

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Could this possibly explain your current aversion to sex, which would be "pre-marital" sex?

No. I'm a Unitarian. It's not so much a conscious 'aversion' to sex; it's more a completely lack of interest in or desire for it.
Deborah

Sander wrote:
Deborah wrote:
Sander wrote:
Deborah wrote:
[...] but I can definitely say that the feelings I had for my mother's friend were quite different than those I had for my father.


We're these feelings truly sexual then?

I didn't know about sex, so I certainly wasn't fantasizing about having sex with him, but the feelings I had in his presence and on receiving attention from him felt just like those I felt later with guys I was attracted to.


More like feeling apreciated/loved?

No, more of a feeling of excitement.
Uriel

Quote:
Afterall, most children, especially girls, are asexual untill about the age of 6.

Wow, do most people really become sexual that early?


I certainly did. Even if I wasn't all that clear on exactly what I was feeling. But I was extremely curious about sex as a small child, and my parents weren't at all repressed about answering questions. And I was definitely being attracted to boys from at least the 3rd grade on (about 8 years old).

Yes, it's true -- I've been a heterosexual since childhood ... and I refuse to be ashamed!
Uriel

Damn! Did we breeders suddenly become chopped liver, or what? All the action's over there in the Rainbow Nation!
André in Zuid-Afrika

Uriel wrote:
Damn! Did we breeders suddenly become chopped liver, or what? All the action's over there in the Rainbow Nation!


As always...
Uriel

Hmmph! I will have you know, my dear South African, that we have been known to have a good time fitting Tab A into Slot B.

Plus, it's kind of cheating if you have all the same accessories as your partner -- you know exactly what to do and exactly how it will feel! Try it with someone who comes prepackaged with an entirely different set of equipment -- now that takes years of study and finesse to get right!

I think that's one of the stranger things about sex -- well, hetero sex -- you know when you're making the other person feel good, and you can sort of put yourself in their place and identify with them, and of course you learn a whole set of skills geared toward pleasing them, but you can never actually know exactly what it is that they're feeling. Even with analogous anatomy -- I know it can't be exactly the same.
Lazar

Just so everybody knows, I'm going to come out and announce that I'm straight.

It definitely wasn't a choice I made. I started having crushes on girls when I was in the single digits, although it wasn't until I was 12 that I figured out exactly what I wanted to...ya know...do with them.
Uriel

You're a brave man, Lazar, brave.
Julian

Lazar wrote:
Just so everybody knows, I'm going to come out and announce that I'm straight.

It definitely wasn't a choice I made. I started having crushes on girls when I was in the single digits, although it wasn't until I was 12 that I figured out exactly what I wanted to...ya know...do with them.


Cool.

Just make sure that you do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. I repeat: do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. Those who have have never come back.

Deborah



lead us…...lead us......
Porthos

Julian wrote:
Lazar wrote:
Just so everybody knows, I'm going to come out and announce that I'm straight.

It definitely wasn't a choice I made. I started having crushes on girls when I was in the single digits, although it wasn't until I was 12 that I figured out exactly what I wanted to...ya know...do with them.


Cool.

Just make sure that you do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. I repeat: do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. Those who have have never come back.



OMG! That was so funny Julian!

And Deb, your picture and comment was right up there too.
André in Zuid-Afrika

Julian wrote:
Lazar wrote:
Just so everybody knows, I'm going to come out and announce that I'm straight.

It definitely wasn't a choice I made. I started having crushes on girls when I was in the single digits, although it wasn't until I was 12 that I figured out exactly what I wanted to...ya know...do with them.


Cool.

Just make sure that you do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. I repeat: do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. Those who have have never come back.



Of course, Julian's only joking...

Now, Lazar, Benjamin, Loic, Porthos, Fab, look at the pretty blue of the spiral... look closely....veeee-rrryyy closely...



PS. Love the new avatar, Julian! (Not as much as the original, of course, but still)
Deborah

Porthos wrote:
Julian wrote:
Just make sure that you do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. I repeat: do not stare into the blue hypnotic spiral. Those who have have never come back.



OMG! That was so funny Julian!

We should have a display of all of Julian's work.
Elaine

Deborah wrote:
We should have a display of all of Julian's work.


Great idea. I think we should have a thread where we can all post our artwork, like Uriel's beautiful paintings and my... uh... um... hmmm... well, maybe I can take pictures of my scratchpad doodles.
Uriel

I bet they're lovely scratchpad doodles!

I think Julian should display a retrospective of his swimsuit modelling portfolio.
Julian

Uriel wrote:
I think Julian should display a retrospective of his swimsuit modelling portfolio.


Okay.





A. Modeling the classic Aussie Rower Squarecut swimsuit.
B. In Mawashi-inspired men's diaper thong.
Uriel

I see you've gone from six-pack to pony keg....
Akoni

/me joins the straight thread
André in Zuid-Afrika

Akoni wrote:
/me joins the straight thread


DAMN!! I must be losing my touch... And such a cute avatar, too....
Uriel

Hey, you gotta leave something for us girls to play with!

New straight slogan: "Don't Bogart That Man."
Porthos

André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
Akoni wrote:
/me joins the straight thread


DAMN!! I must be losing my touch... And such a cute avatar, too....


It appears our team is winning, and growing in numbers here Andre ...........
Deborah

Uriel wrote:
New straight slogan: "Don't Bogart That Man."

André in Zuid-Afrika

For the ladies... ... and me....




No, it's NOT Julian!
André in Zuid-Afrika

OK OK, something for the guys...

Wanderin

André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
For the ladies... ... and me....




No, it's NOT Julian!

cool, what a body!!!
Porthos

André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
OK OK, something for the guys...



Can't u post something better than a cartoon??? Come on, be fair man!
Julian

Porthos wrote:
Can't u post something better than a cartoon??? Come on, be fair man!


I know, and it doesn't even do anything. [SIGH] This is how you get our attention, André.








O, Canada indeed!
Fredrik

Hmmm, shouldn't a soon-to-be father rather be posting pics of Rubenesque mother goddesses like the Stone Age Venus from Willendorf:

Deborah

Fredrik wrote:
Hmmm, shouldn't a soon-to-be father rather be posting pics of Rubenesque mother goddesses like the Stone Age Venus from Willendorf:


But it doesn't DO anything!
Elaine

Julian wrote:


I thought that was me for a second.
Deborah

Elaine wrote:
Julian wrote:


I thought that was me for a second.

What a coincidence -- I thought the Stone Age Venus from Willendorf was me for a second! I'm kidding...sort of...
Loic

You are always too self-deprecating, Deborah. I am extremely sure that a former dancer would never remotely resemble a hippotameous, as that stone age figurine suggests.
Deborah

loic wrote:
You are always too self-deprecating, Deborah. I am extremely sure that a former dancer would never remotely resemble a hippotameous, as that stone age figurine suggests.

Aw, you're so nice! But you must realize that being a dancer (not even just a former dancer) and resembling a hippopotamus are not mutually exclusive:

Loic

Haha. What cartoon was that?
Fredrik

loic wrote:
a former dancer would never remotely resemble a hippotameous, as that stone age figurine suggests.


/the all-powerful Mother Godess feels insulted in her mighty feminine powers and has painted your name with her menstrual blood in a Wicca energy circle..../
Loic

Fredrik wrote:
loic wrote:
a former dancer would never remotely resemble a hippotameous, as that stone age figurine suggests.


/the all-powerful Mother Godess feels insulted in her mighty feminine powers and has painted your name with her menstrual blood in a Wicca energy circle..../


That's a very gross deity.
Fredrik

Stone Age girl power, you know! Just read the Old Testament and see how that stuff scared the shit of the old patriarchs!
Deborah

loic wrote:
Haha. What cartoon was that?

That's one of the best-known scenes from Walt Disney's Fantasia (1940). The great thing about that ballet in that scene is that, for the most part, the hippo and ostrich ballerinas are doing real ballet steps.
Uriel

The Dance of the Hours.

Don't forget the crocodiles!
Deborah

Uriel wrote:
The Dance of the Hours.

Don't forget the crocodiles!

How could I forget Ali Gator? (I think that was the character's name.) My favorite moment is when Hyacinth Hippo gets a running start and hurls herself into the air, to be caught by the alligator, and there's a wonderful shot from his viewpoint as this quickly moving hippo descends on him.
André in Zuid-Afrika

André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
Uriel wrote:
Damn! Did we breeders suddenly become chopped liver, or what? All the action's over there in the Rainbow Nation!


As always...


And of course, let's not forget our straight friends! (Now that I've brought the gay thread back to life...)
André in Zuid-Afrika

And of course this one...

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