It is more likely that in some places, the Celts were assimilated by Germanic speaking peoples, or as in much of Gaul and Iberia, by Latin speaking peoples. The Celts used to dominate Europe, but were slowly pushed further west starting around 200 B.C., by Germans and by Romans, and later, by Anglo-Saxons. In places like Austria, it is very likely that the Celts remained in the region, only adopting a Germanic language and mixing with Germanic people. In France, a similar situation is found. About 2/3 of Gaul was a Celtic land at the time of the Roman conquest. The Gauls were assimilated within Roman culture, and mixed with Roman colonists from the mediterranean world.
Pauline,
Red hair is certainly found among other populations, only that it is not nearly as common as it is in the Celtic fringes of the British Isles. My family is of Spanish descent, and about a third of us have red hair. It's not flaming red hair, but auburn, and red nonetheless. Possbily, some of my ancestors came from northern Spain, (a lot of Celtic ancestry there) as red hair is very common, and we're light complected. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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As Porthos agreed with me above, I think it's important to stress that genetics are awfully complicated. Groups can have basically the same genes (as Danes and English), but still look different, probably because they have inherited slightly dissimilar gene combinations or because diffrent genes are dominant in different populations etc. It's really extremely complicated. For instance some siblings are more related to each other than others are, i.e. some share more common gene material, others less.
While I agree with Porthos that Benjamin looks British because of his red hair and milky skin, I was more thinking of that certain Prince Charles look (no offence intended ), i.e. that look of an attentive, but eccentric gentleman that is so typically British!
And how "British" is Prince Charles...? Perhaps that's why you fit in so well in Germany......lol, just kidding.
I think it's important to stress that genetics are awfully complicated. Groups can have basically the same genes (as Danes and English), but still look different
Absolutely !! Also, with for exemple your mtDNA, you can discover a big surprise such as a person who looks completely african has european maternal ancstry (origin). So, I agree with Fredrik, that your genes hold more secrets that what's visible - or even would appear logic.
It seems, that Porthos thinks along the line, that each race, linguistic group, ethnicity etc.. were a spearate entity, with unique genetic. But, the more probable scenario was that we originated from a gene pool and in the time there occured mutations creating the diversity you can see now when you look at the various DNA, or try to discover history by examining physical / linguistic common factors.
This is why it will not be a succesful search for Porthos (I think) because the evolution did not occur sperarted initially, therefore there will be no separate patterns now, at least, not sufficiently clear cut to prove Porthos' theories. Of course there are more dominant features and less dominant ones, what can be seen in different balances, but it remain, however a mixture - nothing pure as Porthos wnats.
I don't believe or want to believe that anybody is pure blooded anything. We, all far back enough in time, share a common ancestor. But, as populations migrated and became isolated, certain gene pools began mixing only among themselves, and further reinforced genetic tendencies, which created a unique independent evolution for the repsective gene pools. Also, during this time, language and culture began to undergo a distinct evolution over time, among the isolated population groups. This is the basis of what some might call a "ethnicity". So, being as our genetic material manifests itself in the form of our phenotype, then there is a direct correlation between the physical attributes of a population and its genetic history.
The people's of Africa developed curly hair, because many of the original founders of what would become these civilizations most likely had curly hair. If they continued to reproduce with others of close relations who had curly hair, then their children, and their children's children, would also have curly hair, with this particular trait becoming reinforced with each generation. Recessive genes can pop up in a population however, which explains why one person may resemble a person from a different continent somewhat. It's just like if I were to marry an eastern Asian woman, my child's eyes would most likely be slightly more almond shaped than my own, and if he were to marry an Asian girl, then my grandkids eyes would be more slanted than even my son, and so on. If the pattern were to continue, five or six generations from now, nobody would know that my descendant had a Caucasian ancestor. Genetics is a very interesting area of science, and it has always fascinated me. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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This is an important issue in more ways that one. The notion that the English are of Tuetonic stock could possibly have fundamentally changed the course of history as we know it. Remember, crazy Hitler had signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union, prior to his invasion of that country, and prior to the war with Britain. He always admired Britain, and hoped to co-exist with her, so long as she would concede control of the continent to the Nazis. The whole Battle of Britain was just an attempt to break the English people's will, so that they would exit the war, and give Hitler free reign to do as he please on the European continent. Hitler although proposing to launch an invasion of Britain, never seriously considered it. According to his contemporaries, he spoke of the English in a positive light, as he saw them as being of a similar racial ancestry as the Germans, because the English were seen as Teutonic Anglo-Saxons. Although he ordered the concentration of shipping and troops through the summer of 1940, he had a deeper desire to fight the communist to the east, than the Anglo-Saxons to the west. As soon as France had fallen, Hitler proposed a peaceful solution, since the English and Germans were of a similar racial background. It would be better, he thought, if the two united to fight the Slavic Bolsheviks, instead of Tuetons fighting among themselves. How would the war have ended had it not been for a two front war? Would the continent still be in the hands of the Nazis to this day? It was all because of a crazy lunatic in control of the Nazi war machine. His blunders are nearly innumerable. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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This is an important issue in more ways that one. The notion that the English are of Tuetonic stock could possibly have fundamentally changed the course of history as we know it. Remember, crazy Hitler had signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union, prior to his invasion of that country, and prior to the war with Britain. He always admired Britain, and hoped to co-exist with her, so long as she would concede control of the continent to the Nazis. The whole Battle of Britain was just an attempt to break the English people's will, so that they would exit the war, and give Hitler free reign to do as he please on the European continent. Hitler although proposing to launch an invasion of Britain, never seriously considered it.
Excuse me? Hitler loathed England. Operation Sealion was ready to go if he'd won the battle of Britain. He invaded the Low Countries because he wanted to "defend them" against the English ...
He repeatedly made reference to the English as being his "Germanic brothers". Only if they could realize the genius of his vision, he said, all would be well. He reluctantly fought England, but his main concern was always crushing communism, and defeating the Russians, because one, they were communist, and two, they were Slavic.
Napoleon also made plans to invade England. He amassed several hundreds of thousands of troops, and even a navy for the supposed invasion of England which never materialized. Most historians agree that this was just a faint on his part, or some sort of mental warfare. He also wanted the British to keep as many men at home, defending the island as possible, so that fewer would be available to assist French enemies on the continent. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Excuse me? Hitler loathed England. Operation Sealion was ready to go if he'd won the battle of Britain. He invaded the Low Countries because he wanted to "defend them" against the English ...
I disagree, Sander. This is interesting - it's from a review of a book called « Hitler's English Inspirers » by Manuel Sarkisyanz, PhD.
book review wrote:
Nobody who reads Mein Kampf can doubt that Hitler admired England and modelled himself on it. The only question is whether his admiration was soundly-based, or whether he caricatured England in the process of imitating it.
The England which Hitler admired was the real England—the State and society which rejected the French Revolution and the general rights of man and asserted privileged rights for itself; which in its internal structure was an ordered hierarchy based on leadership and deference; which established ample Lebensraum for its people in other countries; which established an impassable racial distance between itself and the native peoples of those countries; and which bred in the lower middle and working classes—which were deferential at home—a mentality which enabled them to function as a master race in the colonies and possessions of Greater Britain, and with regard to foreigners in general.
Nazism was in substance an attempt to Anglicize the German state and German society, neither of which had the inherent aptitude for these things which seemed to be present among the English
Why you put Hitler is the greatest person of the 20th century on the other thread ???????i think, that hitler was the most disgusting one, or at least, one of those.
Sorry Pauline, I always seem to make this mistake!
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Why you put Hitler is the greatest person of the 20th century on the other thread ???????i think, that hitler was the most disgusting one, or at least, one of those.
i think, that many people in europe (and it's possible in other continents) see germany in the light that it was the evil one.
what happend in WW2 was absolutely evil, but I think not so sperataed of history and of the other countries than people reemmber. now, it's a scapegoat and europeans for exemple dutch, british, love to hate germans, and the basis is WW2 but they are ignoring their own country's behaviour !! Of course hitler was disgusting, and he encouraged the evil part of the germans' character, but if you look at history (and sometimes the presetn) it's evident those things are not unique to Germany.
all politic leaders are narcissist and i suppose always it's bad to believe them because they're manipulating for control us.hitler got more succes that other ones unfortunalty.
The German people were manipulated and taken advantage of during desperate times. The 1920s were an awful time for Germans, with unprecedented levels of inflation and unemployment, as well as political instability and a sense of humiliation after the loss of WWI. There was a strong current of anti-semitism in Germany at this time, as there was in other European countries. Hitler played on this, and he gave the German people an object with which to point the finger at, to release their frustration on the Jews. Most Germans truly became evil. I think most Germans were in actuality, just political moderates, and regular human beings, who didn't realize what they were getting themselves into. They just got caught up with the heat of the moment. But once an authoritarian, fascist regime took control of the country, they really had no choice but to go along with the government. Otherwise, they would be imprisoned or shot. Many also might have personally objected to the holocaust, but they remained indifferent to it, as they chose to place a higher value on patriotism and fatherland, than freedom, justice, and liberty. It's an unfortunate aspect of human nature under such trying circumstances. And then, the young generation which grew up during this time period and would later fill the lines of the Nazi armies, were perpetuallly brainwashed by government propoganda, things like "Hitler's youth groups", etc. They really began to believe that they were a superior race, and that it was their destiny to conquer the world. They had been programmed to think that way, from youth on up.
But Hitler was an idiot, and he made a lot of stupid decisions as commander of his army, which cost him the war, and fortunately for us, guarenteed liberty. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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The German people were manipulated and taken advantage of during desperate times. The 1920s were an awful time for Germans, with unprecedented levels of inflation and unemployment, as well as political instability and a sense of humiliation after the loss of WWI. There was a strong current of anti-semitism in Germany at this time, as there was in other European countries. Hitler played on this, and he gave the German people an object with which to point the finger at, to release their frustration on the Jews. Most Germans truly became evil. I think most Germans were in actuality, just political moderates, and regular human beings, who didn't realize what they were getting themselves into. They just got caught up with the heat of the moment. But once an authoritarian, fascist regime took control of the country, they really had no choice but to go along with the government. Otherwise, they would be imprisoned or shot. Many also might have personally objected to the holocaust, but they remained indifferent to it, as they chose to place a higher value on patriotism and fatherland, than freedom, justice, and liberty. It's an unfortunate aspect of human nature under such trying circumstances.
Yep, you're right Sander. I'm really a secret spy for the fatherland, and a member of the Fourth Rheich, who is trying to persuade others to support the resurgence of Germany's power, while infiltrating the ranks of Americans, masquerading as an American born high school student. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Yep, you're right Sander. I'm really a secret spy for the fatherland, and a member of the Fourth Rheich, who is trying to persuade others to support the resurgence of Germany's power, while infiltrating the ranks of Americans, masquerading as an American born high school student.
I think a real spy for the fatherland would be able to spell "Reich".
Oh, I'm sorry for accidentally adding an extra 'h' in the word while typing at a fast speed. I hope my SS supervisors don't hang me by the toes because of it. _________________ Operation Northwoods - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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), i.e. that look of an attentive, but eccentric gentleman that is so typically British!
