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André in Zuid-Afrika
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| Elaine wrote: | | I call it a shish kebab/kebob or simply kebab. |
This specific one on the pic is made of lamb. Do you still call it a kebab? (I have a specific reason for asking this, there are no wrong answers. We also have kebabs, but we actually call what's on the pic something differently.)
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | Elaine wrote: | | I call it a shish kebab/kebob or simply kebab. |
This specific one on the pic is made of lamb. Do you still call it a kebab? (I have a specific reason for asking this, there are no wrong answers. We also have kebabs, but we actually call what's on the pic something differently.) |
I still would call it a shish kebab. I don't think it matters what kind of meat is used (in US parlance, of course), just as long as it's cut into small cubes, skewered on a stick, and grilled or roasted.
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André in Zuid-Afrika
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OK, so where do you get it from, and why do you call it a kebab?
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The thing we call "Kebab" here in France is not like on the picture either. We call this thing in French "brochette". I'm sorry I don't know the translation of this word in English.
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Elaine
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| André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | OK, so where do you get it from, and why do you call it a kebab? |
You can get them from anywhere around here. There are a lot of Persian, Armenian, and Greek eateries, especially in the mall food courts. Why do I personally call it a "kebab"? That's just what we call it.
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André in Zuid-Afrika
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Didier69 wrote: | | The thing we call "Kebab" here in France is not like on the picture either. We call this thing in French "brochette". I'm sorry I don't know the translation of this word in English. |
Interesting. This brings me closer to why I asked the question. Could you perhaps post a pic of a "brochette", and tell us what it's made of?
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Elaine
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Didier69 wrote: | | We call this thing in French "brochette". |
Oh yeah, we call it a brocheta in Spanish.
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André in Zuid-Afrika
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| Elaine wrote: | | André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | OK, so where do you get it from, and why do you call it a kebab? |
You can get them from anywhere around here. |
I actually meant, where does your version originate from?
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oh yes it's sound nearly the same in both languages. Here a link where you can see which kind of kebab we can find in France in Turkish retaurants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6ner_kebab
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patriccke
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Elaine is right, a shish kebab is a "brochette": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebab
But while "kebab" used with no further precision refers to the shish kebab in the US, it refers to showarma in Europe |
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| patriccke wrote: | Elaine is right, a shish kebab is a "brochette": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebab
But while "kebab" used with no further precision refers to the shish kebab in the US, it refers to showarma in Europe |
Très interesant! A "shawarma" to me is prepared differently than a "kebab".
| André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | Interesting. This brings me closer to why I asked the question. |
May I ask why you brought this up in the first place? What is a shish kebab called in Afrikaans anyway?
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I'm currently reading a boek on Boerekos, ie. traditional Afrikaans cooking. Many people here believe what a kebab is really just a fancy name for what we call in Afrikaans a sosatie. In restaurants, you'll often find kebabs on the menu, but never a sosatie. Now here's the interesting thing. It turns out that they're actually two different things. Apart from differences in the preparation, a sosatie is only a sosatie when it's made of lamb. Anything else is a kebab. The thing on the pic is made of lamb, and is thus what we call a sosatie. But when you go into a supermarket, you'll find ostrich sosaties, chicken sosaties, beef sosaties, while according to this book, they're all in actual fact kebabs, not sosaties. I guess this only applies to South Africa. Boring for you, I guess  , but interesting for me! 
BTW, had a sosatie tonight!
Jeez, I can sometimes go on about silly things, can't I... Anyway, at least my question got you talking...
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| André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | Anything else is a kebab. The thing on the pic is made of lamb, and is thus what we call a sosatie. But when you go into a supermarket, you'll find ostrich sosaties, chicken sosaties, beef sosaties, while according to this book, they're all in actual fact kebabs, not sosaties. |
The author sounds like a dreaded prescriptivist. If everyone calls them sosaties, regardless if they're made of lamb or not, then why insist on calling them kebabs?
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| Elaine wrote: | | André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | | Anything else is a kebab. The thing on the pic is made of lamb, and is thus what we call a sosatie. But when you go into a supermarket, you'll find ostrich sosaties, chicken sosaties, beef sosaties, while according to this book, they're all in actual fact kebabs, not sosaties. |
The author sounds like a dreaded prescriptivist. If everyone calls them sosaties, regardless if they're made of lamb or not, then why insist on calling them kebabs? |
Exactly. Espesially since there are differences in the way sosaties and kebabs are prepared. But it's mainly the restauranteurs who are in fault, offering sosaties and calling them kebabs... 
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Had some carne asada tacos for the first time in like forever. Oh my god were they good!
Raise your hands if you like Mexican.
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Carne asada is the shit, Elaine. I can't believe you've never had it before! Next you'll be telling me you've never tried barbacoa! (Which is mmmm-mmmm good. Let's not talk about what it's made out of, though.)
Went to Arizona on business this week, and got to try the famous In-N-Out burger for the first time. Not bad. Not sure what all the fuss is about, though.
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| André in Zuid-Afrika wrote: | I'm currently reading a boek on Boerekos, ie. traditional Afrikaans cooking. Many people here believe what a kebab is really just a fancy name for what we call in Afrikaans a sosatie. In restaurants, you'll often find kebabs on the menu, but never a sosatie. Now here's the interesting thing. It turns out that they're actually two different things. Apart from differences in the preparation, a sosatie is only a sosatie when it's made of lamb. Anything else is a kebab. The thing on the pic is made of lamb, and is thus what we call a sosatie. But when you go into a supermarket, you'll find ostrich sosaties, chicken sosaties, beef sosaties, while according to this book, they're all in actual fact kebabs, not sosaties. I guess this only applies to South Africa. Boring for you, I guess , but interesting for me!
BTW, had a sosatie tonight!
Jeez, I can sometimes go on about silly things, can't I... Anyway, at least my question got you talking... |
André, it's not boring at all. That's always very interesting to read about culinary field. 
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| Uriel wrote: | | Carne asada is the shit, Elaine. I can't believe you've never had it before! Next you'll be telling me you've never tried barbacoa! |
I never said I've never had it. I said I had it "for the first time in like forever" (meaning, in a very long time). Heavens, a Mexican who's never had carne asada is like an Afrikaner who's never had boerewors! 
| Quote: | | Went to Arizona on business this week, and got to try the famous In-N-Out burger for the first time. Not bad. Not sure what all the fuss is about, though. |
Their fries are good, but I really don't understand why there's always a long line of cars waiting at the drive-thru. They ain't that good.
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André in Zuid-Afrika
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| Elaine wrote: | | Heavens, a Mexican who's never had carne asada is like an Afrikaner who's never had boerewors! |
In other words, such a person does not exist!
Sometimes you scare me, Elaine.  I may have to kill you, you know way too much about my people...  
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On a really cold and rainy night, what do you consider to be the appropriate meal?
For us, it would be hot soup, preferably bean soup.... (Can't find an appropriate pictue ), but let me just point out that real South African bean soup is made only with red speckled beans, not black or white or any other coloured beans... And with lots of meat!)
And I make a mean bean soup, even if I do say so myself.
And pannekoek...
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