Lazar: I know what you mean. I am not that pedantic when it comes to the more neutral 'they' to refer to the third person. I might have actually sometimes used that to inject a bit of variety into my sentences instead of falling back on 'his' all the time.
What gets my goat is the pompous fashion in which newfangled constructions such as 'his or her' are so enthusiastically touted by a vocal minority of the population. Do you think PG Wodehouse would have used 'his or her' or even 'they' in his prose? _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
Funny. So basically it's like Germanophones used <die Lehre> = *{female teacher} as the feminine counterpart for <der Lehrer> = {male teacher} although 1] <die Lehrerin> is {female teacher} & 2] <die Lehre> = {apprenticeship, doctrine, tenet, theory, teaching etc}...
Not exactly...
der Lehrer - male teacher - lärare
die Lehrerin - female teacher - lärarinna
die Lehre - doctrine etc. - lära
Now they're usually called lärare (Lehrer). Lärarinna seemed too old-fashioned and is too much associated with how it was back in the day when female teachers looked something like this...
...and only taught kids up to a certain age. So even though lärare would imply that it's a male you're talking about, that is not necessarily the case.
What gets my goat is the pompous fashion in which newfangled constructions such as 'his or her' are so enthusiastically touted by a vocal minority of the population.
Yeah, I think "his or her" really wasn't a good idea. I once had an English teacher who insisted that we use it, but even she didn't use it consistently. Even worse are some proposed gender-neutral pronouns that people have thought up, like "thon" and "herm".
I once had an English teacher who insisted that we use it, but even she didn't use it consistently.
It is always women of a certain age who insist on such trivial matters. Probably too insecure about themselves. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
As for there also being female hunters, this is a moot point. There are so few of them everywhere. Most of them would run out of breath chasing after wild boars and it is a fact. I do not hold the female sex in contempt here, but I simply cannot take female hunters too seriously unless she is as physically strong and able-bodied as a male hunter.
Given that I doubt you do a lot of hunting in Singapore, you can be excused for your ignorance, but women hunt all the time around here. Dove, deer, elk, you name it. As my vet once said, you know a woman's from Montana when she's killed more head of game than you, can deadlift more weight than you, and has bigger arm muscles than you.
From Sports Afield:
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Women’s participation in hunting increased over the last five years by 75 percent, according to a new survey by the National Sporting Goods Association (NSGA). The organization reports that an estimated 3 million women now hunt, and as many as 5 million regularly shoot. That means women now account for about 15 percent of the shooting, hunting, and firearms marketplace.
The survey showed that the number of women who hunted with firearms increased 72 percent between 2001 and 2005 and the number of women who hunted with bow and arrow increased by 176 percent. Overall women’s hunting jumped by 75 percent. The dramatic increase was attributed to the numerous programs to introduce women to hunting, such as the Becoming An Outdoors-Woman program, as well as more manufacturers producing clothing and gear designed for women.
I don't know if you've ever seen Desperate Housewives, but star Eva Longoria grew up poor in Texas, and she says she hunted deer just like her father and brothers -- that was just how you put food on the table.
And that's not confined to the US. According to one site I was flipping through, 23% of the people who took the hunting test in Norway were women as well.
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Small game hunting most popular
A total of 91 000 hunters participated in small game hunting (beaver hunting included) in 2005/06. Small game hunting is being practised all over the country. Most small game hunters lived in the county of Akershus (9 300 hunters).
In the hunting year 2005/06 totally 86 600 people hunted cervids. Cervids includes moose, roe deer, red deer and wild reindeer.
The number of female hunters is still increasing. 7 000 women hunted cervids or small game in the hunting year 2005/06.
In most hunter-gatherer societies, women were expected to fish, trap or snare small game, and participate in larger game hunts. Before the introduction of the horse in the Americas, for example, the entire tribe -- men, women, and children -- commonly turned out to drive game animals into corrals where they could be shot at close range or to drive herds over cliff to their deaths.
It was usually only prestigious game -- large trophy game -- that was restricted to male hunters. _________________ An apple a day....
Funny. So basically it's like Germanophones used <die Lehre> = *{female teacher} as the feminine counterpart for <der Lehrer> = {male teacher} although 1] <die Lehrerin> is {female teacher} & 2] <die Lehre> = {apprenticeship, doctrine, tenet, theory, teaching etc}...
Not exactly...
der Lehrer - male teacher - lärare
die Lehrerin - female teacher - lärarinna
die Lehre - doctrine etc. - lära
That's what I meant : we agree on that → the star before {female teacher} means that it's a wrong meaning.
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fab je t'assure que Bordeaux est tout sauf méditerranéenne, à commencer par le climat et l'ambiance. Ceci dit, c'est une ville méridionale : elle fait partie du Midi atlantique.
il est certain que Bordeaux n'est pas une ville méditerranéenne au sens strict du terme, mais, comme tu l'as justement noté, il s'agit d'une ville méridionale. Les qualificatifs de "méridional" et "méditerranéen" se recoupent en grande partie - et, en tout cas partagent un certain nombre de points communs (en tout cas concernant la France).
Je ne considère pas personnellement Bordeaux comme une ville méditerranéenne au sens strict - mais je voulais just noter, qu'au sens large, certains endroits non situés dans des lieux proches de la méditerranée partagent un certain nombre de points communs avec d'autres qui y sont - et qu'il n'existe pas de critère unique pour définir ce qui est "méditerranéen". C'est le cas aussi du portugal, qui à mon sens, a toute sa place parmis les pays méditerranéens bien qu'il n'en soit pas au sens strict.
C'est vrai. Il y aussi ce côté atlantique qu'on ne trouve pas en Méditerranée, mais qui est bien présent de La Rochelle à Bayonne.
That's what I meant : we agree on that → the star before {female teacher} means that it's a wrong meaning.
Yes. But what I meant is that we're not like Germanophones -- we never called our female teachers a doctrine. We don't usually call them lärarinna these days but there's nothing wrong with that word, so to speak.
Yes. But what I meant is that we're not like Germanophones -- we never called our female teachers a doctrine. We don't usually call them lärarinna these days but there's nothing wrong with that word, so to speak.
LOL! Doctrine - it would cause confusion of meaning!
Greg wrote:
Neither do the Germanophones : they never call a Lehrerin a Lehre, for aught I know.
You're right - they don't. That would be tantamount to calling a female teacher/doctor a doctrine. _________________ Az alvástól megéhezem. Az evéstől elálmosodom. Az élet szép.
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