I did read that the Polish army led a cavalry charge against the Nazi panzers. If that were true, it was really suicidal.
This was one of those lies produced by communists to discredit Polish pre-WWII army. Of course we possessed quite significant cavalry and it was used in some exceptional cases but never against tanks.
I see, Deborah. So that means that Aushwitz was not part of Germany proper at that time. But I suppose the land on which the concentration camp stands was part of Imperial Germany prior to WWI.
KSA: The credibility of the Red Army is in tatters. But why would they want to invent such a myth? I do not see how it would have benefited them.
As the Red Army moved towards Berlin, they committed many atrocities such as rape and murder. Were the victims necessarily German or did the Poles bear the brunt of this havoc as well? _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
I see, Deborah. So that means that Aushwitz was not part of Germany proper at that time. But I suppose the land on which the concentration camp stands was part of Imperial Germany prior to WWI.
KSA: The credibility of the Red Army is in tatters. But why would they want to invent such a myth? I do not see how it would have benefited them.
As the Red Army moved towards Berlin, they committed many atrocities such as rape and murder. Were the victims necessarily German or did the Poles bear the brunt of this havoc as well?
Loic:
1. The land you are referring to was part of Polish territory annexed by Austro-Hungarian Empire at the end of XVIIIth century.
2. The myth about Polish cavalry charging tanks was primarily invented by the Italians, used as propaganda by the Germans, and eagerly maintained by the communists who supported everything that would discredit previous non-communist order.
3. I have to admit honestly, I haven't heard about atrocities committed by the Red Army on Polish citizens in this context.
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Moreover, we had to fight alone - to our great disappointment Great Britain and France didn't take military actions despite earlier agreements and war declaration on 3rd of September.
That's right. And both countries eventually paid a high price for inaction.
KSa wrote:
May 1945, for many Europeans the month of victory, was the beginning of Soviet domination in Poland and other eastern countries.
The outcome of war: 6 millions casualties (including 3 millions Polish Jews).
Not to mention the duplicity of the Soviets who let the nazis deal happily with Polish heroic insurrection in Warsaw (death toll : 150.000 Poles and 17.000 Germans) only to finish off the dirty job. Poland is probably the European country which suffered the most from the nazis.
KSa wrote:
what makes us really angry is media references to concentration camps as "Polish concentration camps".
I understand your bitterness. To me it's still incredible that nazi camps may be labelled "Polish" at all.
KSa wrote:
I have to admit honestly, I haven't heard about atrocities committed by the Red Army on Polish citizens.
The Red Army is at least twice guilty : 1/ Katyn (4.500 Polish officers murdered by the Soviets in 1940) — 2 / 1944 insurrection (complicity with the nazis). And I'm not counting all subsequent bloody repressions.
]I have to admit honestly, I haven't heard about atrocities committed by the Red Army on Polish citizens.
The Red Army is at least twice guilty : 1/ Katyn (4.500 Polish officers murdered by the Soviets in 1940) — 2 / 1944 insurrection (complicity with the nazis). And I'm not counting all subsequent bloody repressions.
Greg: I truly appreciate your vast knowledge!
Yes, but I only mean the context of Loic's question, i.e. raping when the Red Army was marching towards Berlin.
I remembered watching The Pianist which Roman Polanski directed. Did you watch it, Ksa? It was set in Warsaw.
WWII itself is a byproduct of WWI. Without WWI, however, Ksa might not even be a citizen of a sovereign nation called Poland today. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
I remembered watching The Pianist which Roman Polanski directed. Did you watch it, Ksa? It was set in Warsaw.
WWII itself is a byproduct of WWI. Without WWI, however, Ksa might not even be a citizen of a sovereign nation called Poland today.
Yes, I did watch "The Pianist". It's a good film, although not the best that Polanski directed.
As for WWI - yes, you are right. Two weeks ago we celebrated our national holiday: in November 1918 we regained our independence after more than 100 years or partitions.
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