Seeing that I'll definitely be living in Scotland during the Rugby World Cup, I will be obliged to enthusiastically support whomever England is playing against, and then have a party whenever England lose — it's traditional.
That's not very sporting, Greg. Not to mention unpatriotic.
Allez Les Bleus!
C'est facile pour toi Loic : la France n'est pas ton pays, elle n'a pas une grande importance à tes yeux, et c'est tout à fait normal.
La France n'est pas seulement mon pays, c'est surtout le seul que j'ai et le seul que je veuille. L'arrivée, illégitime à plus d'un titre, d'un grotesque bouffon de carnaval, qui passe sa triste existence d'ectoplasme à éructer des conneries toutes plus grosses que lui, à la fonction dirigeante est un événement aussi catastrophique que la prise du pouvoir par Pétain à Vichy. Cette arrivée signe l'effondrement moral du pays face à de grossières manipulations médiatico-politiques. Sitôt élu (par seulement 43 % des Français mais avec toutes les voix de Le Pen), Sarkozy, tel un psychopathe évadé d'une institution, a fait main basse sur tout ce qui se présentait à son regard pour le réifier et l'incorporer magiquement à son être intime : médias, justice, police, internet, fric, douleur des victimes, précarité des étrangers, pédophilie, relations internationales, Tour de France etc. Même l'équipe de France de rugby a été aspirée dans l'orbite maladive du dangereux desposte qui prétend nous gouverner, via son petit objet transitionnel : Bernard Laporte. Lequel objet est destiné à une chosification ultérieure toute sarkozienne : finir "ministre" (des sports je crois, mais ça n'a aucune importance → Sarkozy aurait pu le nommer ministre des finances et des casinos) après la "victoire", que Sarkozy s'est plu à expliquer personnellement aux joueurs.
Tu comprendras donc sans peine qu'il est impératif que l'équipe de "France" perde cette coupe du monde. Et plus la défaite sera amère, plus vite les masques tomberont. La France n'est pas un accessoire de saltimbanque médiatique : c'est un pays dans lequel vivent 63 millions de personnes (dont l'immense majorité n'a *jamais* voté Sarkozy).
Greg, je ne te trouve pas très démocratique dans tes propos... car si une majorité des Français n'a pas voté pour Sarkozy, il n'empèche que la majorité n'étais pas contre au point de le "bloquer" comme l'a voulu une certaine gauche. Je ne vois pas fondamentalement en quoi les "manipulations" de Sakozy seraient si différentes de celles d'un Mitterrand ou d'un Chirac... Je n'aime pas nécessairement particulièrement Sarko, mais j'accepte le verdict des urnes et j'espère que l'état de la France s'améliorera durant le prochain mandat, que le gouvernement réussisse - et j'aurais évidement souhaité la même chose si l'autre camp l'avait emporté.
Et puis franchement, heureusement qu'un pays ne se limite pas à un président - il y a 63 millions d'autres Français pouri qui la victoire de la France seraint la leur.
Je crois vraiment que tu met Sarkozy sur un "piedestal" (négatif dans ton cas) et surestime son importance. A l'heure de l'Europe un président n'est pas l'homme tout-puissant ce que certains (Sarkozy lui-même en premier lieu) voudraient faire croire. La meilleure façon de s'opposer à Sarko est de l'ignorer, car tout ce qu'il fait il le fait pour qu'on ne parle que de lui... donc n'en parlons pas tant ! séparons la nation de ses dirigeant actuels (qui sont temporaires, comme tous), et profitons de cette compétition pour nous rassembler malgré diveres origines et nos divergeances idéologiques !
Ce soir je soutiendrais de tout coeur la France et n'aurais pas la moindre pensée pour Sarkozy !!
Bonsoir fab ! J'admire ton stoïcisme et ton détachement. Mais il m'est impossible de faire comme si rien n'avait changé car tout est à revoir. Quand je parlais des manipulations de Sarkozy, je songeais à quelque chose de bien plus délétère que les infectes magouilles mitterrandiennes ou le cannibalo-tribalisme chiraquien. La cause est entendue : Mitterrand & Chirac étaient profondément obnubilés par leurs personnes et on peut dire que leurs carrières politiques c'est avant tout Massacre à la tronçonneuse : les cadavres (politiques) que tous deux ont laissés dans leur sillage en témoignent. Je ne veux pas trop m'étendre sur le sujet (ce salon est sur le rugby), mais la bonapartisation des esprits prend des proportions inquiétantes alors que les fautes et erreurs accumulées par Sarkozy et ses affidés — sans compter l'absence de tout résultat positif — atteignent un niveau jamais égalé en si peu de temps.
Par ailleurs je ne vois pas ce qu'il y a d'antidémocratique dans les propos que j'ai tenus. Et je ne me fais aucune illusion sur les "résultats" du locataire de l'Élysée : souhaiter sa réussite revient à souhaiter que la neige réchauffe ou le feu mouille. Enfin, je ne sacralise pas Monsieur Cécilia : je sais qu'il peut nuire à notre pays comme il a nuit à son propre camp.
Pour finir, j'en reviens au rugby. Quand l'entraîneur de l'équipe nationale affiche le "contrat" qu'il a passé avec le parrain de l'Élysée, il ne faut pas qu'il vienne pleurnicher sur l'opprobre qu'il s'attire et par ricochet sur l'équipe dont il a la charge. Certains transforment tout ce qu'ils touchent en or ; mais je te laisse le soin de deviner le don de Sarkozy... Mais on pourrait en reparler dans un salon ad hoc, si tu veux.
Sky falls in on French dream2007-9-8 07:46Paris - The sky fell in on French hopes of maiden World Cup glory on Friday, admitted coach Bernard Laporte, after his side slumped to a shock 17-12 defeat to Argentina.
The soon to be French Sports Minister admitted that the hosts had not played well as they failed to overcome a 17-9 half-time deficit.
Laporte said they will have to raise their game if they were to emulate England and become the second northern hemisphere side to land the Webb Ellis trophy.
Even if France do progress to the knockout round, the worrying possibility is looming that they will finish second in Pool D and end up playing tournament favourites New Zealand in the last eight where they would have to try and repeat their epic victory in the 1999 semi-finals.
"When you begin a World Cup and it is imperative to win the match and you lose, you can say only one thing that the sky has fallen in on your head," said Laporte.
"We were not good and it is for us to raise our game. We have to win the three remaining games and then wait and see."
However, Laporte, who guided France to the 2003 semi-finals where they lost to England, insisted he had faith in his squad's ability to turn things round even though they probably face a do-or-die date with Six Nations Triple Crown winners Ireland on September 15 in Paris.
'We were fragile'
"We were counting on this match to get the World Cup campaign momentum going and we failed. We were fragile and febrile.
"We did not know how to lighten the pressure on the players and certain of them did not play to their best.
"However, I am convinced that this group has something about them and they will react to this.
"I believe in this squad, in these players. It is vital to raise our heads, immediately."
The former scrum-half, who has been criticised in some quarters for paying more attention to his advertising contracts and business interests, was at a loss to explain how his team, boasting hardened veterans like hooker Raphael Ibanez and former skipper Fabien Pelous, had cracked under the pressure.
"I don't know," said a bemused Laporte.
"Now we are going to look after the players. In terms of preparation for the match we did what was necessary.
"But this match was of a high level. And at certain times we weren't at that level."
_________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
Journée magnifique : 30° dans les rues de Paris et l'équipe de Sarkozy a été ridiculisée. Dommage que l'équipe de France n'ait pas pu participer à cette coupe du monde.
London - England's performance against minnows the United States in their opening Rugby World Cup game was lambasted by British newspapers Sunday as "diabolical" and "appallingly poor."
Brian Ashton's side, who are attempting to defend the title they won in 2003, will not pose a significant threat to South Africa when the sides meet in five days' time, the papers predicted.
The Mail on Sunday said that the good news from the game was that England won 28-10 and there were no significant injuries to players.
"Now the bad news - and it is exceedingly bad news. The defending world champions were so appallingly poor that the South African team who watched the game from their team hotel could have cracked a few ribs, such would have been the extent of their laughter," the paper said.
Former England star Stuart Barnes wrote in the Sunday Times that the team was "as bad as England have been under Brian Ashton" and described them as "terminally ponderous."
"Ashton can talk all he likes about experience, but this squad has a tired 'yesterday's look' to it," Barnes wrote.
"What we saw from this squad of players was that they have no chance against a vibrant and confident South Africa."
Another writer in the same paper added: "England were diabolical. They played like a team in reverse rather than a team desperate to retain their world title."
The News of the World tabloid was barely more complementary, saying that the team was "off the pace all night."
It said that Olly Barkley's performance was "the lone bright spark" at least in the opening minutes of the game.
"For all bar a few minutes of the first half, it was hard to work out which team were the defending champions as England looked short of ideas and a shadow of the side of four years ago," it said.
"The Springboks will not be losing too much sleep over this one."
Later today it's South Africa vs Samoa.... _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
Hmm... I don't think Italy's going to win the World Cup....
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All Blacks romp to victory2007-9-8 15:38
Marseille - New Zealand captain Richie McCaw has scored twice within the first seven minutes to inspire the World Cup favourites to a 76-14 win over Italy in their opening Pool C match on Saturday.
Right wing Doug Howlett completed a hat-trick of tries and left wing Sitiveni Sivivatu (two), centre Mils Muliaina, lock Chris Jack and flanker Jerry Collins (two)all scored.
McCaw scored his first try after only 64 seconds and the All Blacks romped to 43-0 before the Italians finally got on the board with an intercept try to left wing Marko Stanojevic just before halftime.
Centre Mirco Bergamasco scored a late try for Italy after a more spirited second half display by the Six Nations side.
_________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
Paris - Bryan Habana has scored four tries and Percy Montgomery contributed 29 points to South Africa's 59-7 victory over Samoa in Sunday's Rugby World Cup Group A game.
Fullback Montgomery also scored two of the Springboks' eight tries at the Parc des Princes as South Africa went to the top of the standings.
By scoring at least four tries, the Springboks gained a bonus point to go clear of England that posted a disappointing 28-10 victory over the United States on Saturday.
Montgomery also kicked three penalties and five conversions and Jaque Fourie and JP Pietersen scored South Africa's other two tries.
A try and a conversion by centre Bryan Williams meant the Samoans were only two points behind at 9-7 in the 18th minute.
But the South Africans took control after Habana and Montgomery scored their first tries to move into halftime leading 21-7.
Samoa's Brian Lima created a record by appearing in his fifth World Cup in a row only to stay on the field for four minutes as a second half substitute.
Lima, known as "The Chiropractor" for his powerful tackles, went off apparently dazed, coming off worse after a strong hit in the 65th minute.
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_________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
Ire (32) vs Nam (17)
Sco (56) vs Por (10)
SA (59) vs Samoa (7)
Wal (42) vs Can (17)
Eng (28) vs USA (10)
Aus (91) vs Jap (3)
NZ (76) vs Italy (14)
Fra (12) vs Arg (17)
Well done to Namibia, a country with less that 2 000 rugby players, who'd put up a great performance against Ireland! _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
16 September France 87 - 10 Namibia
16 September Samoa 15 - 19 Tonga
16 September Fiji 29 - 16 Canada
15 September Ireland 14 - 10 Georgia
15 September Wales 20 - 32 Australia
15 September New Zealand 108 - 13 Portugal
12 September Italy 24 - 18 Romania
12 September Japan 31 - 35 Fiji
12 September USA 15 - 25 Tonga
11 September Argentina 33 - 3 Georgia
9 September Ireland 32 - 17 Namibia
9 September Scotland 56 - 10 Portugal
9 September South Africa 59 - 7 Samoa
9 September Wales 42 - 17 Canada
8 September England 28 - 10 USA
8 September Australia 91 - 3 Japan
8 September New Zealand 76 - 14 Italy
7 September France 12 - 17 Argentina
South Africa 36 England 0 _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
We're getting close to the quarter final stage. Current log standings
Pool A
Pos Team P W Pts
1 South Africa 3 3 14
2 Tonga 3 2 9
3 England 3 2 9
4 Samoa 3 0 1
5 USA 2 0 0
Pool B
Pos Team P W Pts
1 Australia 3 3 15
2 Wales 3 2 10
3 Fiji 3 2 10
4 Japan 3 0 1
5 Canada 2 0 0
Pool C
Pos Team P W Pts
1 New Zealand 3 3 15
2 Scotland 3 2 10
3 Italy 3 2 8
4 Romania 2 0 1
5 Portugal 3 0 0
Pool D
Pos Team P W Pts
1 Argentina 3 3 14
2 France 3 2 10
3 Ireland 3 2 9
4 Georgia 2 0 1
5 Namibia 3 0 0
Index:
P - Played
W - Won
Pts - Total Points
In Pool A SA has secured a place, probably against Wales, while Tonga and England will play it out for the other place.
InPool B Australia is on top, and will play either England or Tonga. Wales seems like the other team to qualify, but Fiji is still in with a change.
From Pool C NZ is through, with Scotland probably the other team. Italy is still in with a change.
From Pool D Argentina is heading for a quarter final against Scotland or Italy, while France will face NZ. _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
Eish, England beating Australia in the quarter finals!!! _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
And France doing a 1999 by coming back from behind to once again send the All Blacks packing! _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
We're through to the semi-finals by beating Fiji 37-20, but what a gruelling match it was. Leading 20-6, Fiji scoring two tries to bring it to 20-20.... The Springboks pulled it off, but congrats to a gutsy Fiji team. Now Scotland or Argentina awaits us.... _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
England is certainly seen here as an easier opponent than France, but on the other hand they are currently playing a lot better than at the start of the tournament, when it looked like they might not even make it to the quarters. And the very fact that we thrashed them then, might still be our downfall now.... Crying or Very sad
I'm fully confidant about tonight, but of course no one can ever be sure, especially at this World Cup where there had been so many surprises... _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
England is certainly seen here as an easier opponent than France, but on the other hand they are currently playing a lot better than at the start of the tournament, when it looked like they might not even make it to the quarters.
Agree. It's really better for South Africa to play England than France. In passing, congratulations to South Af' for winning against Argentina. I haven't seen the match, only TV rediffs, but it seems Argentina did what she could (unlike France against England) & South Africa is likely win the world cup. The Englishmen won't easily forget the 36-0 humiliation.
As for France, Laporte (the coach) only got what he deserved : a bitter defeat inflicted in Paris by an unconvincing, laborious English team and 40.000 English people singing God save the queen or whatever after the final whistle !!! First ridiculed by Argentina, then "strengthened" by victories against Namibia (87-10) & Georgia (64-7) only to end up seen off by England (14-9) . Glorieux !
Some (authorised) voices are now saying that what Laporte lacked was a sense of tactics & strategy. Exactly what is required in Sarkozy's government ! Good luck Bernard Laporte ! May you be as good a minister of sports as you were a rugby coach...
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The Springboks pulled it off, but congrats to a gutsy Fiji team. Now Scotland or Argentina awaits us....
!!! First ridiculed by Argentina, then "strengthened" by victories against Namibia (87-10) & Georgia (64-7) only to end up seen off by England (14-9)