Yes, that was in the news here as well. I was actually surprised to see how few states have adopted legislation in this regard. _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
For gosh sakes, if gays want to be miserable in marriage like all the straight people, let them have that right.
First gay marriages, and then the heartbreak of gay divorce ... will the downward spiral never end???!!!
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I was actually surprised to see how few states have adopted legislation in this regard.
I'm not surprised so few states have accepted gay marriage. After all, gay people probably only really make up about 5-10% of the population. Black people make up over 12%, and look how long it took them to get anywhere! Nor will California be the keystone that leads to the flood, since California has long been known as the "home of fruits and nuts", and people in the rest of the country will just shrug and say "That's California for ya" and go about their usual business. Long road ahead, folks. _________________ An apple a day....
For gosh sakes, if gays want to be miserable in marriage like all the straight people, let them have that right.
First gay marriages, and then the heartbreak of gay divorce ... will the downward spiral never end???!!!
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I was actually surprised to see how few states have adopted legislation in this regard.
I'm not surprised so few states have accepted gay marriage. After all, gay people probably only really make up about 5-10% of the population. Black people make up over 12%, and look how long it took them to get anywhere! Nor will California be the keystone that leads to the flood, since California has long been known as the "home of fruits and nuts", and people in the rest of the country will just shrug and say "That's California for ya" and go about their usual business. Long road ahead, folks.
Yes, it's about voting strenght, sadly. And more important, legislation can change, but unless people's attitudes are changed, nothing's been won yet. And for that we certainly have a long road ahead, not just for gay rights.... _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
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Spielberg, wife donate 100,000 dlrs to fight gay marriage ban
LOS ANGELES (AFP) — Hollywood heavyweight Steven Spielberg and his wife have donated 100,000 dollars to help defeat a California referendum seeking to outlaw same-sex marriage, his spokesman said Tuesday.
Spielberg and Kate Capshaw are the latest high-profile figures from the entertainment industry to help bankroll activists aiming to defeat a proposed gay marriage ban that will be voted on during November 4 elections.
Actor Brad Pitt made a donation for an identical amount last week to help opponents of the ban, known as Proposition 8.
"By writing discrimination into our state constitution, Proposition 8 seeks to eliminate the right of each and every citizen in our state to marry regardless of sexual orientation," Spielberg and Capshaw said in a statement quoted by Daily Variety. "Such discrimination has no place in California's constitution, or any other."
Spielberg's spokesman Marvin Levy later confirmed the donation.
"Obviously, he's hopeful that this proposition can be defeated, and that everyone has the same rights," Levy said.
California and Massachusetts are the only two US states where same-sex marriage is legal, following a landmark California Supreme Court ruling in May that overturned a previous ban on gay weddings.
However opponents of same-sex marriage lobbied successfully to have a measure that would reinstate the ban placed on the ballot when Californians go to the polls to vote in presidential elections.
Recent opinion polls indicate Californians are likely to reject the bid.
After Pitt's donation last week, supporters of the proposed marriage ban said it provided more evidence that "Hollywood's elite are out of touch with the average American."
"With wealthy Hollywood lining up to destroy marriage, we call on every concerned citizen to donate 15 dollars for every Brad Pitt movie they have ever seen," Karen England wrote.
Props to Steven Spielberg & wife and Brad Pitt. Boo to all the haters who argue that gay people are destroying marriage. Yeah, blame the gays for the high divorce rate and the single parent households.
Gee -- two happily married hetero men supporting the gay right to marriage. What a concept! Apparently gay marriage hasn't threatened THEIR marriages too much, eh? Hasn't thrown them into divorce and dissolution. Heck, how long have Steven and Kate been hitched? Since the Temple of Doom, right? Which is only slightly after the Flood in pop culture terms, and well before the Big Bang in Hollywood years. Should be proof not of elites being out of touch with ordinary people but of how little other people's business will affect your own when you leave them alone and MIND your own! If you have so much time to be poking your nose into other folk's affairs, who exactly is tending to yours? _________________ An apple a day....
That proposal was accepted, wasn't it? Does that mean gay marriages are now once more illiegal in California?
Well, there has been a slight rise in the number of divorces since gay marriages were legalised. But only because there have been a few gay divorses. Doesn't seem to have any effect on straight marriages at all.. _________________ Toe ek jonk was, het ek al die antwoorde geken. Nou verstaan ek nie eens die vrae nie.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject:
André in Zuid-Afrika wrote:
That proposal was accepted, wasn't it? Does that mean gay marriages are now once more illegal in California?
Yes, Prop H8te (as its opponents have been calling it) passed, which has unleashed a wave of angry protests in the big cities. Local governments have ceased issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, but are still honoring pre-proposition marriages.
However, it looks like this state's in for a long and contentious fight. The cities of Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, Long Beach, Sacramento and Oakland and several counties have all filed lawsuits challenging the proposition's constitutionality and the State Supreme Court has agreed to review the case(s).
I still shake my head at the Prop 8 campaign. Someone please explain to me how passing Prop 8 will protect marriages?
I think Proposition 8 is a very muddled way to signal disapproving sentiment towards homosexual marriages. On the other hand, I honestly feel that bestowing upon homosexuals the sancticity of marriage would be a tragic mistake (Sorry Andre, no offence here).
Marriage is a sacrament between what I am going to drolly call the sons of Adam and daughters of Eve. If I were Californian (and many people here would be relieved that I am not), I would also likewise vote to ban homosexual marriage.
This is not to say that a homosexual couple should be denied of any iota of official recognition. Taking a leaf out of the French civil union system is a good idea. If homosexual couples so desire, they can enjoy many of the accoutrements of a heterosexual union such as the right to file joint tax returns. However I would be very reluctant to grant homosexual couples the right to adopt children. This is not out of a misplaced fear that homosexual couples would necessarily make bad parents; on the contrary, I am sincere in my belief that they can be as good -or as bad- a parent as any other sentient being. I just feel that children should be allowed to grow up in a conventional household (read: one which is the majority).
So at the end of the day, are there any tangible differences between marriage and a civil union? Well not much, I must grudgingly admit. But it is still symbolically very important that marriage be recognised and confirmed as a monogamic institution in which individual participants must come from the male and female sex.
_________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
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First gay marriages, and then the heartbreak of gay divorce ... will the downward spiral never end???!!!
