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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooooh. Wasn't he an incredible photographer? I'm not usually a big fan of photography, but when it's done that well......
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, lovely photo art. Funny how the light differs in different regions. Because of the tall mountains which cast long shadows, our topic, the Alpine region, often has a lovely melancholic light in the afternoons and evenings in my experience, when the dark mountain slopes contrast with the last glitter of the evening sun on the peaks.

I totally agree with you that Bavaria shamelessly and quite wrongly has adopted an Alpine identity it's hardly entitled to. Garmisch-Partenkirchen (home of Germany's highest mountain, 2.962 metres tall Zugspitze may have a Tyrolean identity with yodling and lederhosen, but that only applies to a very narrow string of Bavaria along the Austrian border. But Bavaria has cultivated an Alpine image of itself for a long time, and it was no doubt immensly enhanced by mad King Ludwig II's megalomanic Alpine retreat, Neuschwanstein Castle, the inspiration for Disney's fairy tale castle:

But in fact the scene is highly un-Bavarian. Only the hills behind are Bavarian, the mountains are Austrian.


The background in the more Bavarian view from the opposite angle doesn't look as grand:




Although both Austria, France, Italy and Slovenia are Alpine countries, I kind of see Switzerland as the quitessential Alpenland. Not only because of sheer geography, but also because of the ambience. In Switzerland you can stand in the streets of bustling international metropolises and still breath fresh, crisp mountain air and gaze up at almost vertical mountains.
And the Alpine heart of Alpine Switzerland must be the one canton that often is described as a Switzerland en miniature and a world apart: (Ge.) Graubünden, (Fr) Grisons, (It) Grigioni, (Rumantsch) Grischun, Switzerland easternmost canton and home of Heidi. Its not only highly Alpine because of its mountainous and confusing geography, but because its the meetingplace of languages (both German, (Rhaeto-)Romansh and Italian are spoken there) and the contrasts between isolation and transit that are so typical of the Alps.
Graubünden's capital and the oldest Swiss town, the old Roman city and present railway hub of Chur is typical and a city I liked very much when I visited it. Note the snowy vineyards - contrasts examplified:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In summer 1980 a dance company I was in had a teaching/performing residency in Switzerland. Our first week was spent in Graubünden / Grisons / Grigioni / Grischun, more specifically in the area called the Engadine, and even more specifically in the town of Zuoz. We stayed in the Lyceum Alpinum Zuoz, a prestigious, exclusive preparatory school

Here’s a map of the Engadine. Zuoz is about in the middle:







Here’s a photo gallery of Zuoz and its environs.


One day we hiked up to a little village above the tree line where the 1968 version of Heidi was filmed. I’ll try to find the location and a photo.
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Last year, I went by train from Nürnberg to München, and later from München to Saltzburg. For some reason, I had expected both journeys to offer spectacular mountain views, but was disappointed to find that the scenery actually bore more resemblance to the Netherlands or East Anglia — a lot of rather flat green fields.
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Not only because of sheer geography, but also because of the ambience. In Switzerland you can stand in the streets of bustling international metropolises and still breath fresh, crisp mountain air and gaze up at almost vertical mountains.



Yes, compared to its size, switzerland is surely (proportionally) the "most alpine country". But said that, to the starting subject which consisted to claim that the alpine imaginary was associated in the mind of many people with german-speaking regions. It is interesting to see that a big part of the German-speaking switzerland (the most populated around basel, bern and Zurich) is in fact quite flat and un-alpine.


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I just came back from holyday in the south of France. I went to Isola 2000, a ski station situated at Italian border about the same latitude than Firenze, Tuscany.



The Alps seen from the mediterranean coast, near St Tropez :




from the other side of the chain, From Turin, Italy, the view over the alpine chain is often impressive (when the sky is clear), which is quite rare in the po plain.




From lombardia plain, near Milan


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really dreamy pictures from everyone. Are the landscapes as perfect as they look?
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I can only speak for the ones I've seen: yes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really dreamy pictures from everyone. Are the landscapes as perfect as they look?



I think yes. High Mountain are really beautiful landscapes which give a feeling a being just a little human being in front of nature.

But it is also true that the Alps are surrounded by many very populated regions (and industrial), and are very touristically frequented. A lot of cities lie in the valleys, and modern skifacilities at top bring many people, pollution and so some "shadow" in the ideal image of the wild mountains.

The pyrenees are the other tall mountain range of Europe (excluding Caucasian mountains), they cover a less big area than the alps, are less internationally famous and a bit lower, but generally much more wild (they still have some bears, 5 I think) and as much beautiful (if not more).





Spanish pirinean villages




Aragon (Spanish side of the chain) :








[img]http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ig206/Pyrenees_2005/Mountains/P6041072.html[/img]

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The pyrenees are the other tall mountain range of Europe (excluding Caucasian mountains), they cover a less big area than the alps, are less internationally famous and a bit lower, but generally much more wild (they still have some bears, 5 I think) and as much beautiful (if not more).

However, the 1st, 3rd and 5th highest mountain peaks in mainland Spain are in the Sierra Nevada in southern Spain. (The highest Spanish peak is the volcanic Teide, on Tenerife.)
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Seen in this photo are Mulhacén and Alcazaba, the 1st and 5th highest peaks in Spain, photographed from Veleta, the 3rd highest.




Although the highest peak on the Iberian Peninsula is in the Sierra Nevada, the Pyrenees contain many more peaks over 3000 m.
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Yes, Deborah, the Sierra Nevada has higher summits than the pyrenées, but they are very limited in area, and doesn't relly represent a wide area of high altitudes, nor a real mountainous geographical entity, but a more or less isolated mountainous spot, contrary as the pyrenees or the Alps.
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I never said anything to dispute that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no problem !

Spain as a whole is very mountainous, it has mountains such as pyrenees, Sierra Nevada, Sierra de Guadarrama (there down photo), and also plateaux.


It said to be the second highest European country after Switzerland.

Sierra de Guadarama

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Another mountainous region of Spain that I think is very picturesque (from what I’ve seen of Spain on TV)
is the Cordillera Cantábrica, on the north coast. Although the peaks are all lower than 3000 m, they can
be impressive because of their rapid rise from the coastline. The
cordillera includes the Picos de Europa:

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your right I forgot this one !

I know a bit the cantabria coast but the the mountains, It would be nice:










Maybe a next trip...
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So many mountain ranges, so much beauty...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:
Another mountainous region of Spain that I think is very picturesque (from what I’ve seen of Spain on TV)
is the Cordillera Cantábrica, on the north coast. Although the peaks are all lower than 3000 m, they can
be impressive because of their rapid rise from the coastline. The
cordillera includes the Picos de Europa:



I drove through Cantabria twice. It's really magnifique !
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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High Mountain are really beautiful landscapes which give a feeling a being just a little human being in front of nature.


That's exactly the sensation Romantic painters were trying to convey -- they called it the sublime.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uriel wrote:


That's exactly the sensation Romantic painters were trying to convey -- they called it the sublime.


Yea, the following image from my Grade 10 European History textbook came to mind:



But the question is how it compares to the real deal.
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Reminds me of one of my painting professors, who said not to bother painting sunsets -- they would never compare to the real thing.


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