Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: Chavs, Emos, and other cliques
I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry? (I'm having a hard time picturing this, actually.) Is "chav" an acronym? Is it a very pejorative term? Help a Yank out, will ya? _________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." ---- Groucho Marx
I've heard that you better don't wear Burberry if you go to England, because the chavs wear it, so to be chav must be bad! I think that they wear sport clothes as well and are always drunk or anti-social. Of course Bejnamin and shouga can give you more details.
In Norway they are called rånere ( derived from "male hog".). They are small-town hillbillies whose greatest pleasure is to cruise around in "pimped" custom cars dressed in sports wear, drink moonshine liquor and pick up local lasses outside the village snack bar. They normally worship kitschy icons such as Elvis.
A humourous insight into rural Norwegian chav/råne culture from the rural Norwegian rap group Side Brok (= Sagging Pants):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TYD7rEgEE _________________ Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen. = Those who don't know foreign languages, know nothing of their own. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?
Joanne wrote:
I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry?
Sort of, yes. We might have different perceptions of what 'alcoholics' are though, because I'd say that a 'chav' would probably drink a lot of beer and would often get drunk, but probably wouldn't really be an alcoholic.
Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.
Stereotypically, chavs may also be seen as overly nationalistic, and may support far-right parties such as the BNP, even though they are thought not to have much political awareness overall. This is seen as a negative characteristic by many non-chavs because overt displays of patriotism and nationalism tend to be frowned upon here.
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Is "chav" an acronym?
I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.
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Is it a very pejorative term?
It's not very pejorative, although I can't imagine that anyone would self-identify as a chav.
So chavs are not linked very strongly with cars and customization of cars? _________________ Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen. = Those who don't know foreign languages, know nothing of their own. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?
Benjamin wrote:
Joanne wrote:
I have a vague idea of what they are. Alcoholics who get into brawls while dressed head-to-toe in Burberry?
Sort of, yes. We might have different perceptions of what 'alcoholics' are though, because I'd say that a 'chav' would probably drink a lot of beer and would often get drunk, but probably wouldn't really be an alcoholic.
Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.
Stereotypically, chavs may also be seen as overly nationalistic, and may support far-right parties such as the BNP, even though they are thought not to have much political awareness overall. This is seen as a negative characteristic by many non-chavs because overt displays of patriotism and nationalism tend to be frowned upon here.
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Is "chav" an acronym?
I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.
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Is it a very pejorative term?
It's not very pejorative, although I can't imagine that anyone would self-identify as a chav.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?
Benjamin wrote:
Basically, the stereotypical male chav has really short hair, wears a baseball cap (usually forwards) that's often Burberry or fake Burberry, and also wears other sportswear. The stereotypical female chav wears large looped earrings, a lot of make-up, and wears sleeveless tops which shows her stomach, regardless of the weather or how fat she is. She may have children, perhaps stereotypically one white baby and one black baby, whom she tells to 'shut the fuck up!' every few minutes, and dresses in very short skirts if they're girls. Chavs are also stereotyped as being poorly educated, having a limited vocabulary, having low aspirations, and reading rubbish newspapers such as The Sun.
Oh, God. No wonder my pretentious English co-worker was complaining about her sister-in-law dating a chav! It must kill her. Hilarious!
So, tracksuits, stomach out to yea, popping out multi-colored babies every other month? You mean like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain, right?
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Benjamin wrote:
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Is "chav" an acronym?
I've heard it suggested that it means either 'council house and vulgar' or 'council house and violent'.
Council house = the projects. Gotcha
Porthos wrote:
Sounds like what we would call a "red neck" or "white trash" around here.
Yup, sounds like it. Male chavs sound more like "wiggers" to me, though. _________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." ---- Groucho Marx
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Fredrik, I think I'm about to pop a lung!! _________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." ---- Groucho Marx
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Benjamin & Shouga - What exactly are chavs?
Joanne wrote:
So, tracksuits, stomach out to yea, popping out multi-colored babies every other month? You mean like Vicky Pollard from Little Britain, right?
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from this website I've found this very funny letter to the chav agony aunt
Chav website wrote:
Nickname: Mutchay
Problem: All chavs should be sent to an island off the coast of norway or sum otha lil reject country like scotland or St Helens where they will all be trained not 2 be SUCH FUCKING SCUM!!!!! i think tony blair mite wanna hear ma idea, you agree wit me??? keep it real, Mutch-ay
Answer: Im impressed with your knowledge of obscure places..I think Tony would be too Luv Auntie Shanice
Well, Benjamin and the rest of you seem to have covered this question already... Although we don't have some of the stereotypes that Benjamin voiced, down here in Southern England. However we do have other stereotypes for chavs as well.
Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!
An Emo is someone who tends to have dyed black hair and wears punk-gothic clothes, including long leather jackets. They are stereotypically portrayed as being sensitive, shy, depressed, quiet and introverted, and the most 'popular' stereotype given to Emo people is that they practice self-harm.
This guy and the woman in this commercial are emos. They resurrected the abomination that is the skinny jean fashion trend, and listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.
Shouga wrote:
Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!
Emos...that fight? The mind boggles That war should be over soon, Shouga. I can't imagine emos putting up much of a fight. They're too busy getting in touch with their emotions. _________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." ---- Groucho Marx
Really? They look very normal and not very prone to self-harming.
BTW good to know that rural Norwegian rap can always cheer you up on a rainy day, Joanne! _________________ Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen. = Those who don't know foreign languages, know nothing of their own. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
The norwegian music/video was absolutly the most worst, rubbish and stupid music and video what exist in *all* the world. Fortualty, norwegian music isn't famous so we don't must hear it LOL!!
Sorry, Fredrik!!!I hope you're not in the video or someone of your family!!!
This guy and the woman in this commercial are emos. They resurrected the abomination that is the skinny jean fashion trend, and listen to bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.
Shouga wrote:
Our school is actually quite unique as we have this ongoing war between the Chavs and the Emos, which is really quite amusing when you're neither a Chav nor an Emo!
Emos...that fight? The mind boggles That war should be over soon, Shouga. I can't imagine emos putting up much of a fight. They're too busy getting in touch with their emotions.
Well, they don't look emo to me! Or not like the emos I imagine. These are all emos:
Oh, the chavs are more 'we hate emos, we hate emos!' whereas the emos are like 'why can't you leave us alone?'. The people who really put up a fight towards the chavs are the emo supporters, who are all 'CHAVS SHOULD DIE!'. Therefore, our school can be very interesting at times...
They all look on the goth side of emo, except for the last one who looks full on goth. I guess the couple on the commercial are what you would think are emo-ish. But the guy looks plenty self-absorbed, depressed, and greasy-haired to me...
Ooh, I found definitions of emos on www.urbandictionary.com. I could have just gone there to see what a chav was, but I didn't think of it at the time. Then again, if I hadn't asked you guys, I would've never seen that hilarious råne video and ChavScum website, and would've been deprived of two good, long belly laughs. So, I am content with my decision to come here with my query.
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Punk music on estrogen. Often acoustic guitar with soft, high male vocals that dwell exessively on the singer's feelings, especially melancholy remembrances of past relationships/mistakes in life. A form of music that diverged from punk in the '80s, the name "emo" is derived from the emotive style of the lyrics and music. This genre has lately been marketed heavily by the music industry to teenagers with bands such as Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday, and has seen much commercial and mainstream success. The music has also spawned a subculture which conforms to certain conventions in dress such as tight sweatshirts, tight band T-shirts and horn-rim glasses. Adherents profess to exessively melancholy temperments. Males that adhere to the emo subculture are sometimes confused with metrosexuals; indeed the line between the two is somwhat blurred, though both groups claim to be intouch with their emotional side. The ephemeral and hackneyed nature of emo songwriting suggests that its audience will be restricted largely to teenagers. the genre suffers from a lack of credibility outside the aforementioned demographic group, much like current Nu Metal bands.
girlfriend: C'mon, lets have sex.
boyfriend: I'm too sad to have sex.
girlfriend: I'm sad too; lets have sex and cry.
boyfriend: I'm already crying.
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Normally a 15-17 year old teenager. Considers themselves to be much more in touch with their emotions than anyone else; whereas they really just feel sorry for themselves. Most emo's will claim to be depressed, or simply misunderstood. They think they are unique, and fail to realise that they actually look like half the teenage population of south england. You can recognise an emo by looking for these general characteristics:
SKINNY JEANS (both boys and girls) The tighter the better. If an emo can hardly walk because of their jeans, then they've reached optimum emo status.
STRIPEY JUMPERS. Normally black and grey. If you're a boy, this should again be worn as tightly as possible. Breathing comfortably is a luxury you may have to sacrifice.
TATTY CONVERSE. Usually drawn on, as most emo's regard themselves as artists.
BLACK LONG HAIR COVERING ONE SIDE OF YOUR FACE. Vision can be compromsised for style as an emo. Try and make it as greasy as possible.
Finally, emo's MUST look down on everyone else, accuse them of being uncreative, judgemental, and the sole cause of their 'depression'. If you're a hardcore emo you'll cut yourself occasionally. If you're not, then you at least have to pretend you do.
_________________ "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." ---- Groucho Marx
The last picture was leaning of the side of goth, but the rest of them are very much stereotypical emo; the guy and girl on that advert looked pretty normal to me.
I've read those definitions before Urbandictionary is love.
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Is "chav" an acronym? Is it a very pejorative term? Help a Yank out, will ya? 
Fredrik, I think I'm about to pop a lung!! 
from this website I've found this very funny letter to the chav agony aunt
Although we don't have some of the stereotypes that Benjamin voiced, down here in Southern England. However we do have other stereotypes for chavs as well.
That war should be over soon, Shouga. I can't imagine emos putting up much of a fight. They're too busy getting in touch with their emotions.
