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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

URIEL:

Later, I realised that you were being facetious...Sorry, I was too knackered yestarday to distinguish the tongue-in-cheek from the serious.

PS: Too much preocuppation with my thesis topics do my mental abilities serious harm.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pauline:

I can understand your aversion to him. I had felt that he should have exercised a bit more self-restraint in his conduct towards you and it boggles the mind as to how he seemed to be allergic to your point of view almost all the time.

I suppose my fondness for him is purely nostalgic in character. He was one of the first chaps I knew here.
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He hate all Belgians, especially Walloons. For an insult, he told Jo that he's belgian, although Jo's Dutch. When Jo told him that he's Dutch, Sander refused believe him!!! He refused belive me that I've the diploma in the dutch language what I told him, also after I copied the text on the certificate to the post !! We had an argument about 7 pages on Antimoon about such things.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deborah wrote:

If you don't like the sound of "belle", maybe you'd prefer "jolie" (pretty). But if the girl doesn't like Angelina, it might be a bad choice. But who am I to suggest things to whisper? The francophones should be able to give you much better suggestions.

Well, as you like "r-s", I can suggest the word "ravissante". Otherwise, you can say "charmante", "attirante", "seduisante"...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was being facetious. There isn't much rhyme or reason to our system; I would hardly expect it to come easily to a learner. It's like when I took Chinese -- the tones meant nothing to me, so they were a total nightmare to try to learn, because I'm not used to having to pay attention to such a thing -- and yet they can comnpletely change the meaning of a word in Mandarin.

That's also why I think I won't be able to speak Mandarin before a looooong long time! But if I had to choose, I'd say Mandarin's accents would be easier to pronounce for me than the English sentences' accentuation!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was being facetious. There isn't much rhyme or reason to our system; I would hardly expect it to come easily to a learner. It's like when I took Chinese -- the tones meant nothing to me, so they were a total nightmare to try to learn, because I'm not used to having to pay attention to such a thing -- and yet they can comnpletely change the meaning of a word in Mandarin.

That's also why I think I won't be able to speak Mandarin before a looooong long time! But if I had to choose, I'd say Mandarin's accents would be easier to pronounce for me than the English sentences' accentuation!


Yelina, you know, what you need to do is listen. I met a Swiss guy in Uppsala and his Swedish was so good that I had to ask him how he'd managed to reach such a level of fluency. He told me that one has to "be like a small child" and listen. That's pretty much what I say too. Forget about French, listen and copy.
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Well, as you like "r-s", I can suggest the word "ravissante". Otherwise, you can say "charmante", "attirante", "seduisante"...

And if you say "seduisante", remember that in French, a single S between two vowels is pronounced like an English Z (double S is like S).
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Yelina, you know, what you need to do is listen. I met a Swiss guy in Uppsala and his Swedish was so good that I had to ask him how he'd managed to reach such a level of fluency. He told me that one has to "be like a small child" and listen. That's pretty much what I say too. Forget about French, listen and copy.

Thank you for the advice! When I watch films, I always do in the original voice (well, when I can, i.e when I watch DVDs), but it doesn't seem better. Maybe I don't pay attention enough. I think I'd need to listen to many times the same sentence to really integrate the way people are speaking. Unfortunately, during a conversation I can't ask people to repeat 5 times their sentence.
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Yelina, you know, what you need to do is listen. I met a Swiss guy in Uppsala and his Swedish was so good that I had to ask him how he'd managed to reach such a level of fluency. He told me that one has to "be like a small child" and listen. That's pretty much what I say too. Forget about French, listen and copy.

Thank you for the advice! When I watch films, I always do in the original voice (well, when I can, i.e when I watch DVDs), but it doesn't seem better. Maybe I don't pay attention enough. I think I'd need to listen to many times the same sentence to really integrate the way people are speaking.


You just need more practice, is all. One thing I often do is memorize lines from movies and repeat them to myself. It seems to work; an American guy in Galway told me that I have "very good pronounciation".

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Unfortunately, during a conversation I can't ask people to repeat 5 times their sentence.


That might wear out their patience. I know. However, if you need to ask them to repeat themselves, just do it. You won't make a fool out of yourself even though it may feel like it at times. In any case it's worth it in the end.
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You just need more practice, is all. One thing I often do is memorize lines from movies and repeat them to myself. It seems to work; an American guy in Galway told me that I have "very good pronounciation".

Well, I'll try to do so and I hope an English-speaker will complement me as well! I think when one of my foreign friends understands me, it'll mean I improved my pronounciation!

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That might wear out their patience. I know. However, if you need to ask them to repeat themselves, just do it. You won't make a fool out of yourself even though it may feel like it at times. In any case it's worth it in the end.

I would dare ask people to repeat themselves if I know them, but if I don't, I think I'd be satisfied with their "single sentence". (Of course, I mean in the hypothesis I understand what they say and I just want to see their pronounciation/accentuation. That's clear if I don't understand their sentence, I'd ask them to repeat).



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