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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjamin wrote:

I simply cannot understand this extreme kind of sentimental nostalgia

(Sorry, I'm ranting here).


I think that, like in case of any nostalgia, it's beyond understanding of many people. Although it's hard to give an explanation, I'll try:

My mother was born in the territory which belonged to Poland before WWII, and after the war it was taken over by USSR. Now - it's Ukraine. She dreamed of visiting this place of birth, but for many years it was impossible. Finally, in the 90s, when it became feasible, we went to Ukraine and  found the village where my mother was born.
She cried.
I need to mention that she never remembered this place because she was just 3 years old when all Polish families were forced to leave.
The area is not geographically attractive at all - a lowland with little forests here and there.
She cried, however, because this was where her life had started. I think what differs us from animals is that we can express emotions in such situations like: something starts... something ends... something new begins.... etc.

The Serbian case is what I described above in macroscale. The Serbians, as a nation, feel this special sort of attachement to the place where their statehood was born even though no one remembers those times.

Unfortunately I haven't expressed myself the way I wanted to due to my imperfect English but I hope you at least partially understood what I meant.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KSa wrote:
The Serbian case is what I described above in macroscale. The Serbians, as a nation, feel this special sort of attachement to the place where their statehood was born even though no one remembers those times.

Unfortunately I haven't expressed myself the way I wanted to due to my imperfect English but I hope you at least partially understood what I meant.

Your English always seems perfect to me — and yes, I completely understand what you mean.

I have nothing particularly against the idea of Serbians having some kind of sentimental attachment to Kosovo as a place for historical reasons. But why should that translate into a desire to forcibly rule over and dominate Kosovo against the wishes of the majority of the people who live there?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benjamin wrote:
KSa wrote:
I guess the main reason is that Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian statehood.

It was in the past, but it blatantly isn't any more. I simply cannot understand this extreme kind of sentimental nostalgia — why can't people just get over things that happened centuries ago that no-one around today is even remotely responsible for? Kosovo has been predominantly 'Albanian' since the 19th century.

(Sorry, I'm ranting here).


I thought that in European terms, the 19th C. was just yesterday.

I would imagine that part of Serbia's sudden (if it is sudden) strong attachment to Kosovo is that A) its departure makes them look weak and splintered, unable to hang on to their own, especially at a time when they are trying to build themselves as a nation, and B) it's a case of you don't miss something until it's gone -- andf then you're like, Oh, shit.....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irrespective of the stands taken by interested parties over the issue of independence for Kosovo, it is now largely a fait accompli . However, I would like to point out that secession should take two hands to clap: not only should Kosovo want to secede, Serbia should agree to secession.

After studying the details, I have since revised my original position and am now firmly against an independent Kosovo. It is odious that so many people support independence for Kosova based on a woolly adherence to the wholly misguided principle of self-determination without thoroughly understanding the facts on the ground.



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