A bit off-topic here, but what's the chance a Scientiologist or a Mormon can ever be voted as President?
It seems that there is prejudice against them from both sides of the spectrum - right and left.
Pretty slim. But I think a Scientiologist candidate would get a lot more stick than a Mormon would - the general consensus of Scientology is 'completely crazy', whereas thoughts on Mormons are generally more 'so what do you believe in, anyway? Polygamy?'. From far off, Mormonism is probably more plausible than Scientology is.
Ooh, you don't want to get into a polygamy discussion with an actual Mormon -- like we had the other night with one of our doctors, who's a stereotypical straight-up Mormon (from Utah and everything!). It seems the Mormon church itself outlawed polygamy long, long ago, back in the 1800's, and the only polygamists still around are actually heretic outcasts that the church neither condones nor accepts. (Many of them fled to Mexico, where one of our nurses grew up -- she's actually known polygamist families there. Which is how the topic came up.)
By the way, we have two Mormons working with us -- this doctor and our CFO -- and both of them are about the coolest, nicest, funniest, most laidback people you could ever meet.
Mitt Romney, the Mormon who is currently running for President, is considered a dark horse contender with a shot at actually garnering some significant votes, because he is appealing to the socially-conservative constituency. I really don't know that his religion will make much difference on that level.
Ooh, you don't want to get into a polygamy discussion with an actual Mormon -- like we had the other night with one of our doctors, who's a stereotypical straight-up Mormon (from Utah and everything!). It seems the Mormon church itself outlawed polygamy long, long ago, back in the 1800's, and the only polygamists still around are actually heretic outcasts that the church neither condones nor accepts. (Many of them fled to Mexico, where one of our nurses grew up -- she's actually known polygamist families there. Which is how the topic came up.)
By the way, we have two Mormons working with us -- this doctor and our CFO -- and both of them are about the coolest, nicest, funniest, most laidback people you could ever meet.
Mitt Romney, the Mormon who is currently running for President, is considered a dark horse contender with a shot at actually garnering some significant votes, because he is appealing to the socially-conservative constituency. I really don't know that his religion will make much difference on that level.
Yup. After polygamy became illegal, they issued two manifestos to the church, stating that they could not be polygamous (the reason for why there are many LDS 'denominations' these days, such as the Fundamentalist LDS church, which split from the main LDS church after the manifesto was made). But I know Mormons who still support it. I can remember an interesting RE lesson at school when my Mormon friend talked about how, although polygamy was a 'banned practice', that God still endorsed it and that there would be 'plural marriage', as she called it, in Heaven. Let me tell you that she got into a LOT of religious debate in that lesson!
But yeah, Mormons are nice people.
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Since polygamy is no longer practiced by mainstream LDS and a "revelation" in 1978 admitted black (men) to the priesthood, the church is probably considered more acceptable by many Americans. However, women are still not allowed to have priest status, and they are still urged to make having a lot of children their main priority.
It seems that the Catholic hierarchy in America comes from a different planet.
Or the Singapore church does -- because tithing has always been a part of the Catholic Church as a whole. (Protestant churches also encourage it.)
Tithing is encouraged, but not compulsory. I believe that the reforms of the Second Vatican have perfectly elucidated the position of tithing. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
Well, the same goes for Catholic women, Hell, the same goes for Southern Baptist women!
I hope you know and understand why women cannot be ordained as priests.
As the former Archbishop of Paris once said, there is faith and there are opinions and we are obliged to encourage the latter while standing by the former. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
Norway most popular Catholic priest, pater Pollestad, says it like this: Women are the stronger sex and they are especially good at inter-human relationships. If the priesthood was opened to them, they would take complete control and turn the church into an eternal coffee party, thereby alienting those believers who view the church as the last bastion of male compassion and caring in a society where all emotional functions have been taken over by women.
His words, not mine! _________________ Wer fremde Sprachen nicht kennt, weiß nichts von seiner eigenen. = Those who don't know foreign languages, know nothing of their own. (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Women can't be priests because the Catholic church says they can't be. That's all.
As an atheist, I really can't bring myself to care much -- just makes it another religion I wouldn't want to join.
I actually wanted to explain why women aren't ordained as priests, but I suddenly realised that I'd be a lonely preacher at the pulpit.
I'd like to say that I deeply appreciate the point you made about tithing and how the Roman Catholic church was actually one of the world's first monopoly. From a business point of view, you are definitely right. It is also said that the Roman Catholic church was also one of the pioneers of globalisation.
With respect to the ordination of women, I beseech all parties to not criticise something which they barely know about. I must say that I am not capable of defending the church's position in this matter as my facts are rather wonky and dare I say it, unconvincing. It'd be better to leave such debates to theological heavyweights who actually know what they say and say what they know. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
I just heard a funny story the other day that made me think of you, loic -- and your comment that the US Catholic Church may just be a wee bit different in some ways: one of the nurses I work with -- and picture this tale in a hand-waving, loud-talking New York-style accent if you really want the full effect -- told me without batting an eye that when she was a girl (this would put the time frame about 25-30 years ago), she and her friends used to buy their pot from the priests -- because it was the purest and highest quality marijuana available. Of course it was -- who would dare cut a priests's weed with something crappy or dangerous? You'd go straight to hell!
I couldn't believe it!
But I know that when I went to Santa Clara U., a Jesuit University in California, the Jesuits there used to bottle their own wine on the premises -- they had their own label and everything. And despite that vow of poverty they have to take, they certainly seemed to know how to live the good life! _________________ An apple a day....
But I know that when I went to Santa Clara U., a Jesuit University in California, the Jesuits there used to bottle their own wine on the premises -- they had their own label and everything.
Always need a ready stock of wine to celebrate mass, Uriel!
But I am struggling to find a justifiable reason for priests to smoke pot, not to mention selling them on the sly. Maybe they thought that marijuana elevates them to a higher sense of consciousness that brings them closer to God. _________________ Hillary Clinton is an acquired taste which I have clearly yet to acquire.
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